| 2017-07-13 20:57:52 | <a-l-e> hoi |
| 2017-07-13 20:58:57 | <houz> hi |
| 2017-07-13 20:59:11 | <alewwb> hi |
| 2017-07-13 21:00:38 | <gregp_> hi |
| 2017-07-13 21:01:25 | * pippin (~pippin@gegl.org) has joined |
| 2017-07-13 21:05:06 | <a-l-e> so, to me the most important topic to me is the lgm proposal for sevilla... |
| 2017-07-13 21:06:05 | <gregp_> but from the emails, it sounds like there are lot of specifics that can't be worked out at present...is that correct? |
| 2017-07-13 21:06:33 | <a-l-e> let's find out : - ) |
| 2017-07-13 21:08:10 | <houz> is anyone from sevilla here? |
| 2017-07-13 21:10:36 | <a-l-e> can we have the people focus a bit on this meeting? |
| 2017-07-13 21:11:52 | <a-l-e> alewwb, is probably the ale who is proposing sevilla. |
| 2017-07-13 21:11:53 | <houz> if the sevilla proposal needs more time just to confirm that the proposal is sound i'd say that's too much time wasted. we are late already, postponing the planning even more would not help |
| 2017-07-13 21:12:01 | <houz> ah, makes sense |
| 2017-07-13 21:14:17 | <gregp_> I would also think that waiting too long to set up a location is a problem for scheduling, now only 10 months or less from now |
| 2017-07-13 21:14:38 | <alewwb> hi there |
| 2017-07-13 21:14:42 | <a-l-e> well, i think that we have had such tight schedules in the past. |
| 2017-07-13 21:15:04 | <gregp_> ok, alewwb, spill the beans |
| 2017-07-13 21:15:09 | <alewwb> :-) |
| 2017-07-13 21:15:52 | <alewwb> The problem with our proposal right now is that the only venue we think suitable right now is almost closed because of summer |
| 2017-07-13 21:16:03 | <alewwb> the administrator is on holidays right now |
| 2017-07-13 21:16:10 | <alewwb> we have a contact there, a teacher |
| 2017-07-13 21:16:18 | <alewwb> but he cannot confirm anything right now |
| 2017-07-13 21:16:39 | <alewwb> so I admit it's a bit uncertain |
| 2017-07-13 21:16:42 | <a-l-e> personally, i think that we can also have an lgm wiht (mostly) smaller rooms... |
| 2017-07-13 21:16:52 | <houz> do you have an ETA of when the ones in charge will be back? |
| 2017-07-13 21:17:04 | <alewwb> no |
| 2017-07-13 21:17:35 | <alewwb> out original proposal was with smaller rooms as you say |
| 2017-07-13 21:17:44 | <a-l-e> ... we might need a big place for the welcome talk... but otherwise, depending on how it's organized, we don't have to expect everybody to attend. |
| 2017-07-13 21:17:50 | <alewwb> but I don't know if it fits the current expectations? |
| 2017-07-13 21:18:00 | <a-l-e> as an exampple, in london most talks did not have a huge attendance. |
| 2017-07-13 21:18:15 | <alewwb> That's wat I remembered |
| 2017-07-13 21:18:27 | <a-l-e> people were around but not everybody was going to each talk. |
| 2017-07-13 21:18:27 | <alewwb> and that's the reason I thught the original proposal was good enough |
| 2017-07-13 21:18:30 | <houz> how big are the smaller rooms available? |
| 2017-07-13 21:18:47 | <gregp_> the other thing about London was that Harrow is pretty far from cultural centers |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:06 | <alewwb> we have some different spaces |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:13 | <alewwb> there could be two venues |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:16 | <alewwb> one beside the other |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:22 | <alewwb> one is a coopworking space |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:25 | <alewwb> called Tramallol |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:36 | <alewwb> and the other one is a social center called La Anónima |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:48 | <gregp_> "beside the other" translates to what sort of distance? |
| 2017-07-13 21:19:54 | <alewwb> 20 meters |
| 2017-07-13 21:20:23 | <alewwb> in Tramallol there's a space for 60-70 people, a meeting room for 10-12, and a workshop for maybe 40 |
| 2017-07-13 21:20:42 | <alewwb> in La Anónima we have a free space for maybe 50 |
| 2017-07-13 21:20:46 | <alewwb> maybe more |
| 2017-07-13 21:21:06 | <houz> which of those rooms would be the lecture hall? |
| 2017-07-13 21:21:17 | <alewwb> the good thing with these two spaces is that they're friend so we can be more informal |
| 2017-07-13 21:21:29 | <alewwb> the space in Tramallol or La Anónima |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:23 | <alewwb> http://lanonima.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/IMG_1465.JPG |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:27 | <houz> so we can plan for 70 people max in the talks? |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:29 | <a-l-e> so, we will do the welcome talk as a picknick at the jardines el valle (says google maps) |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:32 | <a-l-e> : - ) |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:34 | <alewwb> this is a picture not very good of Anónima |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:44 | <alewwb> that's possible |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:48 | <alewwb> an open air talk |
| 2017-07-13 21:22:49 | <houz> cozy |
| 2017-07-13 21:23:29 | <pippin> how many did the room in leipzig fit? |
| 2017-07-13 21:23:36 | <a-l-e> that was huge |
| 2017-07-13 21:23:45 | <houz> leipzig was quite big, too |
| 2017-07-13 21:23:47 | <sanguivor> I think Leipzig had like 100. |
| 2017-07-13 21:23:53 | <a-l-e> no more |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:06 | <alewwb> I did some calculations based on a picture |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:09 | <alewwb> and I calculated 100 more or less |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:18 | <alewwb> http://barrioabierto.es/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/tramallol_2.jpg |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:28 | <alewwb> this is a picture of the main space in Tramallol |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:41 | <gregp_> is there a way to stream video from one room to another? |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:46 | <sanguivor> Madrid had a lot of people, but a big part of that were students who were there as a part of coursework. |
| 2017-07-13 21:24:58 | <alewwb> stream video? |
| 2017-07-13 21:25:01 | <alewwb> :/ |
| 2017-07-13 21:25:10 | <alewwb> I think we could sort that out |
| 2017-07-13 21:25:26 | <a-l-e> ah no, the rows were not as large as i thought in leipzig... |
| 2017-07-13 21:25:45 | <a-l-e> so 100 - 150 |
| 2017-07-13 21:25:51 | <gregp_> tramallol seems to have a better visual feel to it |
| 2017-07-13 21:26:23 | <houz> https://houz.org/LGM/2014/?logfile=LGM2014_meeting_log_2013_10_26 says that leipzig had 250 seats in the main hall |
| 2017-07-13 21:26:26 | <pippin> one could possibly do some things outdoors? |
| 2017-07-13 21:26:55 | <alewwb> yes |
| 2017-07-13 21:26:59 | <gregp_> slides/videos would be problematic |
| 2017-07-13 21:27:06 | <alewwb> indeed, Seville has excellent weather in Spring |
| 2017-07-13 21:27:27 | <gregp_> perhaps creative handouts |
| 2017-07-13 21:28:46 | <houz> having a smaller space might allow to make next lgm more of a meeting for the people making the software and less an advertisement to outsiders. not that i have any problems with the latter of course :-) |
| 2017-07-13 21:29:58 | <a-l-e> or having event / talks that are more specific and focused |
| 2017-07-13 21:31:48 | <houz> right |
| 2017-07-13 21:32:28 | <a-l-e> personally, i'd like to have a realistic date when a proposal for an lgm in sevilla should be ready. |
| 2017-07-13 21:32:39 | <a-l-e> and then decide if we think it can be done or not! |
| 2017-07-13 21:32:47 | <alewwb> the document you sent me? |
| 2017-07-13 21:33:04 | <a-l-e> well, those documents were for milan and saarbrücken, but yes : - ) |
| 2017-07-13 21:33:15 | <a-l-e> it does not have to be exactly that way. |
| 2017-07-13 21:33:23 | <alewwb> yes |
| 2017-07-13 21:33:30 | <alewwb> but it's good to have a reference |
| 2017-07-13 21:33:45 | <a-l-e> having a collaborative document online, might help seeing where the things are and help stearing it. |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:00 | <alewwb> ok, let's do it that way |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:00 | <houz> i guess there are enough free tables all over the place for in-promptu meetings and hacking sessions? |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:02 | <alewwb> good idea |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:19 | <alewwb> in Anonima it's easier |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:27 | <alewwb> in Tramallol depends on the day |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:35 | <alewwb> Friday and Monday are more difficult |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:40 | <alewwb> because people work there |
| 2017-07-13 21:34:50 | <alewwb> but in the weekend we have plenty of tables |
| 2017-07-13 21:35:20 | <houz> so part of the lgm we only had one room in Tramallol? |
| 2017-07-13 21:35:35 | <alewwb> not one |
| 2017-07-13 21:35:47 | <alewwb> at least two + the space in Anónima |
| 2017-07-13 21:36:07 | <houz> i see |
| 2017-07-13 21:36:36 | <alewwb> Do you have a preference for collaborative documents? |
| 2017-07-13 21:36:44 | * a-l-e is looking for a free collaborative platform that supports formatting... |
| 2017-07-13 21:36:53 | <houz> is there some way for collective lunch? i liked that in brussels |
| 2017-07-13 21:36:54 | <alewwb> I think we can draft it tomorrow in the morning |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:08 | <alewwb> (for me the problem is I'm right now in other network meeting) |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:31 | <a-l-e> i'm on holidays right now and i can help.. but not tomorrow morning. |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:36 | <alewwb> yes |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:42 | <alewwb> that's a good point of Tramallol |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:46 | <alewwb> there's a kitchen there |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:51 | <alewwb> and two collectives that cook |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:55 | <houz> nice |
| 2017-07-13 21:37:57 | <alewwb> so we can have very nice meals in there |
| 2017-07-13 21:38:47 | <gregp_> It sounds potentially workable, though may require some creativity to make it work |
| 2017-07-13 21:38:55 | <alewwb> I agree |
| 2017-07-13 21:39:09 | <alewwb> I admit we'd have to sort some issues out |
| 2017-07-13 21:39:24 | <houz> question to everyone: we probably don't want to wait another month for the next irc meeting to decide if we want to wait for a proposal from sevilla. is everyone fine with deciding on a new meeting on the list? |
| 2017-07-13 21:39:55 | <houz> gregp_: isn't creativity what brought us together in the first place? :D |
| 2017-07-13 21:40:32 | <gregp_> muy bien, houz |
| 2017-07-13 21:41:09 | <a-l-e> ok, i've found a nice platform: hackmd.io . |
| 2017-07-13 21:43:23 | <alewwb> I love markdown |
| 2017-07-13 21:43:25 | <alewwb> :-) |
| 2017-07-13 21:43:27 | <alewwb> so nice |
| 2017-07-13 21:43:40 | <alewwb> I've to go |
| 2017-07-13 21:44:15 | <houz> bye |
| 2017-07-13 21:44:15 | <a-l-e> ok, alewwb, if you want i can help you working on a proposal... |
| 2017-07-13 21:44:33 | <alewwb> of course |
| 2017-07-13 21:44:34 | <a-l-e> and we can check who else can help. |
| 2017-07-13 21:44:44 | <alewwb> any help is admitted, :-) |
| 2017-07-13 21:45:02 | <alewwb> I'll start tomorrow and I send the link to the mailing list |
| 2017-07-13 21:45:03 | <houz> a-l-e: until when would you need a "go" to be able to organize an lgm? |
| 2017-07-13 21:45:17 | <gregp_> https://www.yelp.com/biz/nave-tramallol-sevilla?adjust_creative=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA&utm_campaign=yelp_api&utm_medium=api_v2_business&utm_source=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA |
| 2017-07-13 21:45:23 | <a-l-e> houz, no idea. at all. |
| 2017-07-13 21:45:45 | <alewwb> the site is tramallol.cc |
| 2017-07-13 21:46:35 | <alewwb> (the strange name comes from the name of the street, Mallol and 'trama' that means 'network' in Spanish, somehow) |
| 2017-07-13 21:46:55 | <a-l-e> if we don't have a place for the lgm i will have to first find some people who want to help out / have contacts and then get in touch with possible venues. |
| 2017-07-13 21:47:58 | <houz> in that case we better make sevilla work .. |
| 2017-07-13 21:48:31 | <alewwb> one simple question: why Milan or other proposals fell this year? |
| 2017-07-13 21:49:16 | <a-l-e> they need more time for organizing it. |
| 2017-07-13 21:49:50 | <a-l-e> ... the discussion on the next lgm slept in and when it was restarted it was too late for them. |
| 2017-07-13 21:50:39 | <gregp_> ideally, we should have selected a venue for 2018 last year, but I don't think that happened |
| 2017-07-13 21:51:28 | <houz> we should have, but we didn't. let's look into the future and not moan the past ;-) |
| 2017-07-13 21:52:15 | <a-l-e> i think we should try to define a date for the decision on sevilla... |
| 2017-07-13 21:52:31 | <gregp_> but I think it illustrates that soon after 2018 is decided, then the proposals for 2019 need to be brought in |
| 2017-07-13 21:52:43 | <houz> gregp_: absolutely |
| 2017-07-13 21:52:58 | <a-l-e> and since we have only one candidate, it will be a yes or no to sevilla. |
| 2017-07-13 21:53:11 | <a-l-e> yes, gregp_, you're right! |
| 2017-07-13 21:53:36 | <alewwb> maybe put the deadline next week? |
| 2017-07-13 21:53:40 | <houz> a-l-e: shall we decide on a meeting date once alewwb sent something to the mailing list? |
| 2017-07-13 21:53:40 | <alewwb> to decide |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:02 | <a-l-e> next week is probably too close... |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:06 | <alewwb> ok |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:07 | <a-l-e> end of july? |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:10 | <houz> alewwb: will you be able to have that done in a week? |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:19 | <houz> 27th? |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:33 | <gregp_> maybe an update to the list in a week, if there is anything to say... |
| 2017-07-13 21:54:50 | <alewwb> houz: yes, I do think so |
| 2017-07-13 21:55:02 | <houz> yeah, frequent updates help keeping people interested |
| 2017-07-13 21:56:04 | <a-l-e> alewwb, i'm setting up https://hackmd.io/GYDgnATGCMDGBsBaEBTArLRAWAhvEiARgMwAMS00x0waAJgOzRMNA===?both |
| 2017-07-13 21:56:26 | <alewwb> perfect |
| 2017-07-13 21:56:58 | <alewwb> I'm sending the url to my friend Macarena, she's aboard on the proposal |
| 2017-07-13 21:57:06 | <houz> will that be the url where the proposal is drafted? |
| 2017-07-13 21:57:10 | <alewwb> she will help me with the pad |
| 2017-07-13 21:57:55 | <a-l-e> (i'm discovering hackmd.io right now... looks wonderful for now! |
| 2017-07-13 21:58:11 | <a-l-e> houz, i'm proposing that url for drafting the proposal, yes... |
| 2017-07-13 21:58:21 | <houz> the url will be in the logs so others will be able to find it |
| 2017-07-13 21:58:24 | <a-l-e> but i've never used the tool and i have no idea how it works : - ) |
| 2017-07-13 21:59:56 | <alewwb> ok, I''l work on this tomorrow morning |
| 2017-07-13 22:00:33 | <a-l-e> tomorrow afternoon i'll be online... you can ping me in here... |
| 2017-07-13 22:00:34 | <alewwb> There's anything more to be discussed? |
| 2017-07-13 22:00:37 | <alewwb> ok |
| 2017-07-13 22:01:02 | <alewwb> (but tomorrow evening I've scheduled some talks, so I won't be much online) |
| 2017-07-13 22:01:08 | <houz> would it make sense to host hackmd on the lgm server? having infrastructure like that around sounds useful |
| 2017-07-13 22:01:17 | <alewwb> makes sense |
| 2017-07-13 22:01:43 | <a-l-e> it would be wonderful but i don't think we can do that... we only have php there... |
| 2017-07-13 22:01:53 | <a-l-e> and i don't think that the tool is in php... |
| 2017-07-13 22:02:21 | <houz> it isn't |
| 2017-07-13 22:02:33 | <houz> well, it's something for another day :) |
| 2017-07-13 22:03:00 | <a-l-e> well, as far as i know, it's not possible to create a collaborative editor in php... |
| 2017-07-13 22:03:20 | <a-l-e> (anyway, it's a nodejs app) |
| 2017-07-13 22:03:26 | <a-l-e> (https://github.com/hackmdio/hackmd/) |
| 2017-07-13 22:03:49 | <alewwb> it seems written in Node |
| 2017-07-13 22:04:10 | <alewwb> but there's a docker |
| 2017-07-13 22:04:44 | <alewwb> you could write in PHP, long polling with js |
| 2017-07-13 22:05:01 | <alewwb> but it's not a good idea, probably |
| 2017-07-13 22:05:06 | <a-l-e> eh eh |
| 2017-07-13 22:05:29 | <houz> so, anything else to discuss? |
| 2017-07-13 22:06:17 | <a-l-e> it's a pity frank is not here... |
| 2017-07-13 22:07:10 | <houz> hopefully he will read the logs and see that he was missed so he can show up in 2 weeks ^^ |
| 2017-07-13 22:07:22 | <a-l-e> since he has taken the lgm 2019 in his hands, i think that it would be nice if he could start the process not later than mid august... |
| 2017-07-13 22:07:30 | <a-l-e> ... once we have taken the decision on sevilla. |
| 2017-07-13 22:08:37 | <alewwb> ok, I definitely go |
| 2017-07-13 22:08:45 | <alewwb> we keep the discussion |
| 2017-07-13 22:08:48 | <alewwb> cheers! |
| 2017-07-13 22:09:29 | <pippin> old notes that might be relevant for thinking about organizing http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/ |
| 2017-07-13 22:09:30 | <mrscribe> Title: Libre Graphics Meeting | Un site utilisant WordPress (at libregraphicsmeeting.org) |
| 2017-07-13 22:09:55 | <a-l-e> houz, when you post the logs, can you also mention the next meeting and that we will take a decision right after that meeting? |
| 2017-07-13 22:10:29 | <a-l-e> (if nobody has something against taking a decision on sevilla at the beginning of august) |
| 2017-07-13 22:11:48 | <houz> sure |
| 2017-07-13 22:12:18 | <houz> so i assume the meeting is over? |
| 2017-07-13 22:15:11 | <a-l-e> fine for me! |
| 2017-07-13 22:15:20 | <a-l-e> have a wonderful evening everybody! |
| 2017-07-13 22:15:33 | <houz> thanks, same to you. and nice holidays |
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