2017-07-13 20:57:52 hoi 2017-07-13 20:58:57 hi 2017-07-13 20:59:11 hi 2017-07-13 21:00:38 hi 2017-07-13 21:01:25 * pippin (~pippin@gegl.org) has joined 2017-07-13 21:05:06 so, to me the most important topic to me is the lgm proposal for sevilla... 2017-07-13 21:06:05 but from the emails, it sounds like there are lot of specifics that can't be worked out at present...is that correct? 2017-07-13 21:06:33 let's find out : - ) 2017-07-13 21:08:10 is anyone from sevilla here? 2017-07-13 21:10:36 can we have the people focus a bit on this meeting? 2017-07-13 21:11:52 alewwb, is probably the ale who is proposing sevilla. 2017-07-13 21:11:53 if the sevilla proposal needs more time just to confirm that the proposal is sound i'd say that's too much time wasted. we are late already, postponing the planning even more would not help 2017-07-13 21:12:01 ah, makes sense 2017-07-13 21:14:17 I would also think that waiting too long to set up a location is a problem for scheduling, now only 10 months or less from now 2017-07-13 21:14:38 hi there 2017-07-13 21:14:42 well, i think that we have had such tight schedules in the past. 2017-07-13 21:15:04 ok, alewwb, spill the beans 2017-07-13 21:15:09 :-) 2017-07-13 21:15:52 The problem with our proposal right now is that the only venue we think suitable right now is almost closed because of summer 2017-07-13 21:16:03 the administrator is on holidays right now 2017-07-13 21:16:10 we have a contact there, a teacher 2017-07-13 21:16:18 but he cannot confirm anything right now 2017-07-13 21:16:39 so I admit it's a bit uncertain 2017-07-13 21:16:42 personally, i think that we can also have an lgm wiht (mostly) smaller rooms... 2017-07-13 21:16:52 do you have an ETA of when the ones in charge will be back? 2017-07-13 21:17:04 no 2017-07-13 21:17:35 out original proposal was with smaller rooms as you say 2017-07-13 21:17:44 ... we might need a big place for the welcome talk... but otherwise, depending on how it's organized, we don't have to expect everybody to attend. 2017-07-13 21:17:50 but I don't know if it fits the current expectations? 2017-07-13 21:18:00 as an exampple, in london most talks did not have a huge attendance. 2017-07-13 21:18:15 That's wat I remembered 2017-07-13 21:18:27 people were around but not everybody was going to each talk. 2017-07-13 21:18:27 and that's the reason I thught the original proposal was good enough 2017-07-13 21:18:30 how big are the smaller rooms available? 2017-07-13 21:18:47 the other thing about London was that Harrow is pretty far from cultural centers 2017-07-13 21:19:06 we have some different spaces 2017-07-13 21:19:13 there could be two venues 2017-07-13 21:19:16 one beside the other 2017-07-13 21:19:22 one is a coopworking space 2017-07-13 21:19:25 called Tramallol 2017-07-13 21:19:36 and the other one is a social center called La Anónima 2017-07-13 21:19:48 "beside the other" translates to what sort of distance? 2017-07-13 21:19:54 20 meters 2017-07-13 21:20:23 in Tramallol there's a space for 60-70 people, a meeting room for 10-12, and a workshop for maybe 40 2017-07-13 21:20:42 in La Anónima we have a free space for maybe 50 2017-07-13 21:20:46 maybe more 2017-07-13 21:21:06 which of those rooms would be the lecture hall? 2017-07-13 21:21:17 the good thing with these two spaces is that they're friend so we can be more informal 2017-07-13 21:21:29 the space in Tramallol or La Anónima 2017-07-13 21:22:23 http://lanonima.org/sites/default/files/inline-images/IMG_1465.JPG 2017-07-13 21:22:27 so we can plan for 70 people max in the talks? 2017-07-13 21:22:29 so, we will do the welcome talk as a picknick at the jardines el valle (says google maps) 2017-07-13 21:22:32 : - ) 2017-07-13 21:22:34 this is a picture not very good of Anónima 2017-07-13 21:22:44 that's possible 2017-07-13 21:22:48 an open air talk 2017-07-13 21:22:49 cozy 2017-07-13 21:23:29 how many did the room in leipzig fit? 2017-07-13 21:23:36 that was huge 2017-07-13 21:23:45 leipzig was quite big, too 2017-07-13 21:23:47 I think Leipzig had like 100. 2017-07-13 21:23:53 no more 2017-07-13 21:24:06 I did some calculations based on a picture 2017-07-13 21:24:09 and I calculated 100 more or less 2017-07-13 21:24:18 http://barrioabierto.es/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/tramallol_2.jpg 2017-07-13 21:24:28 this is a picture of the main space in Tramallol 2017-07-13 21:24:41 is there a way to stream video from one room to another? 2017-07-13 21:24:46 Madrid had a lot of people, but a big part of that were students who were there as a part of coursework. 2017-07-13 21:24:58 stream video? 2017-07-13 21:25:01 :/ 2017-07-13 21:25:10 I think we could sort that out 2017-07-13 21:25:26 ah no, the rows were not as large as i thought in leipzig... 2017-07-13 21:25:45 so 100 - 150 2017-07-13 21:25:51 tramallol seems to have a better visual feel to it 2017-07-13 21:26:23 https://houz.org/LGM/2014/?logfile=LGM2014_meeting_log_2013_10_26 says that leipzig had 250 seats in the main hall 2017-07-13 21:26:26 one could possibly do some things outdoors? 2017-07-13 21:26:55 yes 2017-07-13 21:26:59 slides/videos would be problematic 2017-07-13 21:27:06 indeed, Seville has excellent weather in Spring 2017-07-13 21:27:27 perhaps creative handouts 2017-07-13 21:28:46 having a smaller space might allow to make next lgm more of a meeting for the people making the software and less an advertisement to outsiders. not that i have any problems with the latter of course :-) 2017-07-13 21:29:58 or having event / talks that are more specific and focused 2017-07-13 21:31:48 right 2017-07-13 21:32:28 personally, i'd like to have a realistic date when a proposal for an lgm in sevilla should be ready. 2017-07-13 21:32:39 and then decide if we think it can be done or not! 2017-07-13 21:32:47 the document you sent me? 2017-07-13 21:33:04 well, those documents were for milan and saarbrücken, but yes : - ) 2017-07-13 21:33:15 it does not have to be exactly that way. 2017-07-13 21:33:23 yes 2017-07-13 21:33:30 but it's good to have a reference 2017-07-13 21:33:45 having a collaborative document online, might help seeing where the things are and help stearing it. 2017-07-13 21:34:00 ok, let's do it that way 2017-07-13 21:34:00 i guess there are enough free tables all over the place for in-promptu meetings and hacking sessions? 2017-07-13 21:34:02 good idea 2017-07-13 21:34:19 in Anonima it's easier 2017-07-13 21:34:27 in Tramallol depends on the day 2017-07-13 21:34:35 Friday and Monday are more difficult 2017-07-13 21:34:40 because people work there 2017-07-13 21:34:50 but in the weekend we have plenty of tables 2017-07-13 21:35:20 so part of the lgm we only had one room in Tramallol? 2017-07-13 21:35:35 not one 2017-07-13 21:35:47 at least two + the space in Anónima 2017-07-13 21:36:07 i see 2017-07-13 21:36:36 Do you have a preference for collaborative documents? 2017-07-13 21:36:44 * a-l-e is looking for a free collaborative platform that supports formatting... 2017-07-13 21:36:53 is there some way for collective lunch? i liked that in brussels 2017-07-13 21:36:54 I think we can draft it tomorrow in the morning 2017-07-13 21:37:08 (for me the problem is I'm right now in other network meeting) 2017-07-13 21:37:31 i'm on holidays right now and i can help.. but not tomorrow morning. 2017-07-13 21:37:36 yes 2017-07-13 21:37:42 that's a good point of Tramallol 2017-07-13 21:37:46 there's a kitchen there 2017-07-13 21:37:51 and two collectives that cook 2017-07-13 21:37:55 nice 2017-07-13 21:37:57 so we can have very nice meals in there 2017-07-13 21:38:47 It sounds potentially workable, though may require some creativity to make it work 2017-07-13 21:38:55 I agree 2017-07-13 21:39:09 I admit we'd have to sort some issues out 2017-07-13 21:39:24 question to everyone: we probably don't want to wait another month for the next irc meeting to decide if we want to wait for a proposal from sevilla. is everyone fine with deciding on a new meeting on the list? 2017-07-13 21:39:55 gregp_: isn't creativity what brought us together in the first place? :D 2017-07-13 21:40:32 muy bien, houz 2017-07-13 21:41:09 ok, i've found a nice platform: hackmd.io . 2017-07-13 21:43:23 I love markdown 2017-07-13 21:43:25 :-) 2017-07-13 21:43:27 so nice 2017-07-13 21:43:40 I've to go 2017-07-13 21:44:15 bye 2017-07-13 21:44:15 ok, alewwb, if you want i can help you working on a proposal... 2017-07-13 21:44:33 of course 2017-07-13 21:44:34 and we can check who else can help. 2017-07-13 21:44:44 any help is admitted, :-) 2017-07-13 21:45:02 I'll start tomorrow and I send the link to the mailing list 2017-07-13 21:45:03 a-l-e: until when would you need a "go" to be able to organize an lgm? 2017-07-13 21:45:17 https://www.yelp.com/biz/nave-tramallol-sevilla?adjust_creative=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA&utm_campaign=yelp_api&utm_medium=api_v2_business&utm_source=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA 2017-07-13 21:45:23 houz, no idea. at all. 2017-07-13 21:45:45 the site is tramallol.cc 2017-07-13 21:46:35 (the strange name comes from the name of the street, Mallol and 'trama' that means 'network' in Spanish, somehow) 2017-07-13 21:46:55 if we don't have a place for the lgm i will have to first find some people who want to help out / have contacts and then get in touch with possible venues. 2017-07-13 21:47:58 in that case we better make sevilla work .. 2017-07-13 21:48:31 one simple question: why Milan or other proposals fell this year? 2017-07-13 21:49:16 they need more time for organizing it. 2017-07-13 21:49:50 ... the discussion on the next lgm slept in and when it was restarted it was too late for them. 2017-07-13 21:50:39 ideally, we should have selected a venue for 2018 last year, but I don't think that happened 2017-07-13 21:51:28 we should have, but we didn't. let's look into the future and not moan the past ;-) 2017-07-13 21:52:15 i think we should try to define a date for the decision on sevilla... 2017-07-13 21:52:31 but I think it illustrates that soon after 2018 is decided, then the proposals for 2019 need to be brought in 2017-07-13 21:52:43 gregp_: absolutely 2017-07-13 21:52:58 and since we have only one candidate, it will be a yes or no to sevilla. 2017-07-13 21:53:11 yes, gregp_, you're right! 2017-07-13 21:53:36 maybe put the deadline next week? 2017-07-13 21:53:40 a-l-e: shall we decide on a meeting date once alewwb sent something to the mailing list? 2017-07-13 21:53:40 to decide 2017-07-13 21:54:02 next week is probably too close... 2017-07-13 21:54:06 ok 2017-07-13 21:54:07 end of july? 2017-07-13 21:54:10 alewwb: will you be able to have that done in a week? 2017-07-13 21:54:19 27th? 2017-07-13 21:54:33 maybe an update to the list in a week, if there is anything to say... 2017-07-13 21:54:50 houz: yes, I do think so 2017-07-13 21:55:02 yeah, frequent updates help keeping people interested 2017-07-13 21:56:04 alewwb, i'm setting up https://hackmd.io/GYDgnATGCMDGBsBaEBTArLRAWAhvEiARgMwAMS00x0waAJgOzRMNA===?both 2017-07-13 21:56:26 perfect 2017-07-13 21:56:58 I'm sending the url to my friend Macarena, she's aboard on the proposal 2017-07-13 21:57:06 will that be the url where the proposal is drafted? 2017-07-13 21:57:10 she will help me with the pad 2017-07-13 21:57:55 (i'm discovering hackmd.io right now... looks wonderful for now! 2017-07-13 21:58:11 houz, i'm proposing that url for drafting the proposal, yes... 2017-07-13 21:58:21 the url will be in the logs so others will be able to find it 2017-07-13 21:58:24 but i've never used the tool and i have no idea how it works : - ) 2017-07-13 21:59:56 ok, I''l work on this tomorrow morning 2017-07-13 22:00:33 tomorrow afternoon i'll be online... you can ping me in here... 2017-07-13 22:00:34 There's anything more to be discussed? 2017-07-13 22:00:37 ok 2017-07-13 22:01:02 (but tomorrow evening I've scheduled some talks, so I won't be much online) 2017-07-13 22:01:08 would it make sense to host hackmd on the lgm server? having infrastructure like that around sounds useful 2017-07-13 22:01:17 makes sense 2017-07-13 22:01:43 it would be wonderful but i don't think we can do that... we only have php there... 2017-07-13 22:01:53 and i don't think that the tool is in php... 2017-07-13 22:02:21 it isn't 2017-07-13 22:02:33 well, it's something for another day :) 2017-07-13 22:03:00 well, as far as i know, it's not possible to create a collaborative editor in php... 2017-07-13 22:03:20 (anyway, it's a nodejs app) 2017-07-13 22:03:26 (https://github.com/hackmdio/hackmd/) 2017-07-13 22:03:49 it seems written in Node 2017-07-13 22:04:10 but there's a docker 2017-07-13 22:04:44 you could write in PHP, long polling with js 2017-07-13 22:05:01 but it's not a good idea, probably 2017-07-13 22:05:06 eh eh 2017-07-13 22:05:29 so, anything else to discuss? 2017-07-13 22:06:17 it's a pity frank is not here... 2017-07-13 22:07:10 hopefully he will read the logs and see that he was missed so he can show up in 2 weeks ^^ 2017-07-13 22:07:22 since he has taken the lgm 2019 in his hands, i think that it would be nice if he could start the process not later than mid august... 2017-07-13 22:07:30 ... once we have taken the decision on sevilla. 2017-07-13 22:08:37 ok, I definitely go 2017-07-13 22:08:45 we keep the discussion 2017-07-13 22:08:48 cheers! 2017-07-13 22:09:29 old notes that might be relevant for thinking about organizing http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/ 2017-07-13 22:09:30 Title: Libre Graphics Meeting | Un site utilisant WordPress (at libregraphicsmeeting.org) 2017-07-13 22:09:55 houz, when you post the logs, can you also mention the next meeting and that we will take a decision right after that meeting? 2017-07-13 22:10:29 (if nobody has something against taking a decision on sevilla at the beginning of august) 2017-07-13 22:11:48 sure 2017-07-13 22:12:18 so i assume the meeting is over? 2017-07-13 22:15:11 fine for me! 2017-07-13 22:15:20 have a wonderful evening everybody! 2017-07-13 22:15:33 thanks, same to you. and nice holidays