2019-02-27 21:01:58 Hello, everybody. 2019-02-27 21:02:42 Just a reminder to skim the SPI letter so that we can talk about it later in the meeting. 2019-02-27 21:03:52 hey 2019-02-27 21:04:34 that one? Application_Letter_20190226_2.pdf 2019-02-27 21:04:56 Yes. 2019-02-27 21:05:42 hi 2019-02-27 21:05:57 There is an in-person SPI board meeting this Friday, and we can get on the agenda if we get the letter in by then. 2019-02-27 21:06:27 sgtm 2019-02-27 21:07:10 The arrangement is totally non-exclusive, so, if it turns out to be non-useful, we simply don't use it. Sort of a win-win. 2019-02-27 21:07:49 I'd encourage others to read the SPI associated projects page and the draft letter so that we can hold a formal vote at the end of the meeting. 2019-02-27 21:08:32 we also need some (corporate) sponsorship info on the website 2019-02-27 21:09:11 That brings up another question. Logistically speaking, did we ever reach an arrangement with K8 to handle global funds beyond this year? 2019-02-27 21:09:29 hi... i don't think that a formal vote should be done in irc. way too few people around. 2019-02-27 21:09:51 Yes, but nobody ever votes on the mailing list either. 2019-02-27 21:10:15 still, if there is a vote it should be first announced on the ML in advance. 2019-02-27 21:10:21 It seemed like it took a month of hammering last time we held an asynchronous vote. 2019-02-27 21:10:46 In this case, it's a highly inconsequential matter with no downside, and I did announce on the mailing list. 2019-02-27 21:11:10 I'm happy to hold another mailing list vote tomorrow, but we need at least to have a consensus here before we do that. 2019-02-27 21:12:01 For what it's worth, this is just an application. We are not obliged to accept the SPI partnership if the application is accepted. 2019-02-27 21:12:32 We might even hold that it's already approved under the vote to pursue the partnership. 2019-02-27 21:12:53 I just want to make sure that we don't miss this opportunity and let it slide another year. 2019-02-27 21:13:56 i'm with frank there 2019-02-27 21:13:59 * Aude_K8 (uid337527@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wvuwmssnryhsyvsp) has joined 2019-02-27 21:14:11 hey Aude_K8 2019-02-27 21:14:20 hi, sorry for the delay 2019-02-27 21:14:33 No worries. Just discussing the SPI application. 2019-02-27 21:15:22 We have a Friday deadline, and, out of caution, we want to hold a vote on the application and the liaison appointment. 2019-02-27 21:15:51 I'm happy with an IRC vote, but a-l-e would like to defer to the mailing list. 2019-02-27 21:16:01 Aude_K8: thanks a lot for putting together the draft schedule :) 2019-02-27 21:16:35 My proposal is that we hammer out something that we all like today and have a mailing list vote with a cut-off tomorrow at some time. 2019-02-27 21:17:00 But let's do local organization stuff first and get back to that later. 2019-02-27 21:18:10 did everyone look over the proposed schedule? 2019-02-27 21:18:22 link is https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TJF4_w09xCkG6aOfZQxsyw7WzYwrfGX6R9e9dnZXj2M/edit#gid=0 2019-02-27 21:18:42 (yes, i pasted that in public irc on purpose) 2019-02-27 21:19:22 franktrampe: a formal decision by "lgm" is only really possible to do at lgm - besides todays meeting is about schedule planning and is not a generic lgm-meeting 2019-02-27 21:19:25 (btw, is the 30.5 an holiday in saarland, too?) 2019-02-27 21:19:35 yes 2019-02-27 21:19:37 the schedule is tight, but we have a lot of talks and workshops. 2019-02-27 21:20:05 in general, it looks like a pretty nice schedule so far 2019-02-27 21:20:48 Aude_K8: what type thoughts have gone into ordering of talks/clusters of talks thus far? 2019-02-27 21:21:05 it's a bit hard to say, since i only see part of the title + the "track"... 2019-02-27 21:21:21 for the beginning, i'm not 100% sure that the first two talks are the best for starting. 2019-02-27 21:21:26 we put the education ones to friday morning so that (in theory) teachers from the region could come 2019-02-27 21:21:32 a-l-e: agree 2019-02-27 21:21:43 another +1 on a-l-e's point 2019-02-27 21:22:06 and we have people who just can be there on one or two days, so we put them where it suits for them 2019-02-27 21:22:12 usability is a newish topic for LGM, and it might be nice to put it a little later in the schedule 2019-02-27 21:22:14 right 2019-02-27 21:22:36 we have everybody in the room for the state of the LG... it's one of the best spots and the talks (most of all the second one) seems a bit week to me. 2019-02-27 21:22:47 and we tried to have talks with similer topics together, and no workshops /meetings with similar topics at the same time 2019-02-27 21:23:15 are all talks in there? 2019-02-27 21:23:24 yes 2019-02-27 21:23:37 besides one who never replied to mails 2019-02-27 21:23:44 probono? 2019-02-27 21:23:49 (appimage?) 2019-02-27 21:23:55 no 2019-02-27 21:24:07 well, he was not refused, so it should be in, imo 2019-02-27 21:24:20 he is very late with replying, but he finally replied on monday. 2019-02-27 21:24:22 dylan c 2019-02-27 21:24:25 probono is sun morning 2019-02-27 21:24:29 a note that my own submisisons 'Commandlines, CMYK .. etc' would work better if it is *before* the 'GEGL and GIMP non-destructive editing' - which is formulated to discuss/elaborate discuss some of the future consequences of the talk 2019-02-27 21:25:06 but there are also 3-4 other people where you were waiting for an answer, Ale. Did you get them? 2019-02-27 21:25:08 "liberate books" should be a LT, not a FT... 2019-02-27 21:25:29 some of them, yes. other no. 2019-02-27 21:25:37 it's marked in the google doc... 2019-02-27 21:25:54 question: last year I did the State of Libre Graphics. Is there another speaker, or should I keep in mind that I might have to do it again? 2019-02-27 21:26:11 we should also have more than one lightning-talk session, and hope to get as many lightning talks submitted at the event as before. 2019-02-27 21:26:35 Aude_K8, one really failed ot reply, and it's the very first. i think that all other have had a reply. 2019-02-27 21:26:51 boud: you did that exceptionally well, would you be willing to do it again? 2019-02-27 21:27:01 pippin: there are 2 lt sessions 2019-02-27 21:27:09 sure, but if there's a more regular person to do it, I don't want to put myself forward 2019-02-27 21:27:26 ah yes, there is one on saturday as well 2019-02-27 21:27:33 sat 1.6, "liberate books": iirc, it has been confirmed as a LT, not a FT... 2019-02-27 21:27:35 what do you mean, more regular? you are lgm inventory :-D 2019-02-27 21:28:31 It was ages between Madrid and Sevilla, and in between I never could attend, as far as I remember. 2019-02-27 21:28:53 is the distinction between workshop and BoF going to get re-introduced for the actual published schedule? for some of these, it's important for expectation management 2019-02-27 21:30:03 Aude_K8 just called me, her computer is acting strangely, she's not ignoring us :-) 2019-02-27 21:30:53 i would do the workshop/bof differentation, yes 2019-02-27 21:31:06 but for scheduling them it's the same, right? 2019-02-27 21:31:26 should we put the comments in the sheet? 2019-02-27 21:31:43 I am back :-) 2019-02-27 21:31:51 I believe so. I just wanted us to be sure that it doesn't accidentally get collapsed during the translation from one spreadsheet to the next :) 2019-02-27 21:31:58 that would be good. then we can go through it tomorrow and incorporate the changes 2019-02-27 21:32:05 yes comments in the sheet would be helpful. Just let me do a copy 2019-02-27 21:33:16 copy is there. So we can work in it 2019-02-27 21:33:39 i also added comment columns to the tables 2019-02-27 21:35:44 @a-l-e I have some questions to your feedbacks in the main sheet. Can we go through them to decide for propositions which are unclear? Like Number 10? 2019-02-27 21:35:56 perhaps there should be another/longer orga meeting than 50min just before the goodbye session? 2019-02-27 21:36:32 orga meeting at the end are not the best imo. 2019-02-27 21:36:53 franktrampe: have you submitted a workshop/bof for SPI membership? 2019-02-27 21:36:55 * pippin hides 2019-02-27 21:37:17 No. I was planning to cover that at the organizational meeting. 2019-02-27 21:37:25 maybe we could try to fit an additional org meeting into one of the lunch breaks? 2019-02-27 21:37:30 Fine with me. 2019-02-27 21:37:31 can the orga meeting be during the lunch break 2019-02-27 21:38:12 on which day will we have most of the persons? thursday? friday? 2019-02-27 21:38:45 Aude_K8, i just got a mail from 10 and he says that he will try to do a good talk : - ) 2019-02-27 21:38:54 If I remember right, a few people wrote they won't be there during the week-end 2019-02-27 21:38:59 Aude_K8: I'd guess Friday 2019-02-27 21:39:25 @a-l-e yes I spoke with him yesterday and he would really like to do one 2019-02-27 21:39:58 i think that the program he is creating is really interesting. 2019-02-27 21:40:01 but a orga/wrap-up/recruit helpers for next iteration, before the closing, for a shorter stretch than 50min, might be a good idea 2019-02-27 21:40:26 (in addition to a lunch organisation meeting) 2019-02-27 21:41:01 but he admitted that he was looking for contributors... and now does not have a good new plan yet... but you are confident and i'd really like him to present something good! 2019-02-27 21:41:54 @pippin: you mean a meeting instead of sunday afternoon or one extra? 2019-02-27 21:42:21 Aude_K8: both 2019-02-27 21:42:33 @a-l-e I can only say he is motivated. Houz knows more about his competences 2019-02-27 21:42:54 @pippin ok I squeeze it somewhere in the schedule 2019-02-27 21:42:55 i've looked at his code and it looks really well written. 2019-02-27 21:43:13 and concerning the features, the screenshots are promising : - ) 2019-02-27 21:43:31 should we give him a chance with a full talk? 2019-02-27 21:44:12 he is confident to manage 15 to 20 mins. 2019-02-27 21:45:05 For K8 it is fine for us if he does a full talk 2019-02-27 21:45:20 i will try to drag #10 to the inkscape hackfest to get to know those people, maybe that will help shape his talk a little, too 2019-02-27 21:46:01 ok for everyone? 2019-02-27 21:46:07 yes for me 2019-02-27 21:46:15 yep 2019-02-27 21:46:26 i added time constraints to the comments so we don't accidentally schedule talks where the speaker is not available 2019-02-27 21:47:08 another question: #33 would really like to have a full talk and not 2 LT. What do you mean? 2019-02-27 21:47:19 so 5 is a lt, that gives us a free slot either for an orga meeting or one of the two new ones 2019-02-27 21:48:01 We planed #33 in the schedule as a full talk so it would not be a problem of time... 2019-02-27 21:48:24 i would give him his full slot 2019-02-27 21:49:35 someone against it? 2019-02-27 21:49:37 imo, he would be a good candidate for the starting talks. 2019-02-27 21:49:51 jehan? 2019-02-27 21:49:55 yep 2019-02-27 21:49:56 i mean, 33? 2019-02-27 21:50:51 agreed 2019-02-27 21:51:09 ok i noted that, we can switch the talks 2019-02-27 21:51:26 He will be happy to do a full talk 2019-02-27 21:51:32 we might put the whole usability cluster to another place then 2019-02-27 21:52:24 ok, we can check that tomorrow 2019-02-27 21:53:10 what do we do with the two people who did not answer (#3 and #19). Are they out? 2019-02-27 21:53:56 #3 does not have a realy proposal and did not reply to two emails... so i guess he is out... 2019-02-27 21:54:54 #19 did not answer four emails. I guess he is out too 2019-02-27 21:55:03 are we sure that the people expecting replies does not have overly spam sensitive mail providers? 2019-02-27 21:55:22 #3 is gmail... 2019-02-27 21:56:08 #19 got mails from me and they are sometimes in the spam. Can someone else try contact him one last time? 2019-02-27 21:56:28 for #19... it's an interesting project... but i don't really like the proposal he did. 2019-02-27 21:56:47 but since the 66 other persons answered me, I am not sure that it was the problem... 2019-02-27 21:58:06 i guess we have to make a cut somewhere, so i wouldn't wait any longer for a reply 2019-02-27 21:58:17 +1 2019-02-27 21:58:42 It's not our last LGM after all. 2019-02-27 21:58:46 yes, and even without them we've got a quite packed and curated schedule coming along 2019-02-27 21:58:55 indeed 2019-02-27 21:59:17 next question is #32? Do we want to wait here? 2019-02-27 21:59:35 Or say he can do an LT and 2020 there will be LGM again 2019-02-27 21:59:38 ? 2019-02-27 22:00:00 i'd like to wait there. 2019-02-27 22:00:24 did you give him a deadline? 2019-02-27 22:01:31 He is planed in the schedule so it is ok for me to give him one more week. But I would not like to wait longer 2019-02-27 22:01:47 i pinged probono in #gimp 2019-02-27 22:02:05 try #appimage :P 2019-02-27 22:02:26 done :-) 2019-02-27 22:02:34 he was away for two weeks i guess... 2019-02-27 22:02:49 his first reply was yesterday... 2019-02-27 22:02:56 spoke on #appimage today 2019-02-27 22:03:17 what about #49? 2019-02-27 22:03:28 let's give 33 a little extra time then 2019-02-27 22:03:34 sorry, 32 2019-02-27 22:03:34 he made himself a well known person, and having chatted with him (a lot), i'm confident that he will propose something good. 2019-02-27 22:03:57 a-l-e: who? 2019-02-27 22:03:59 49 has a new description and title. 2019-02-27 22:04:11 houz, 32 2019-02-27 22:04:29 right, i just wasn't sure if you spoke about 32 or 49 2019-02-27 22:05:21 so 32 gets more time. 49 sent a new proposition. 2019-02-27 22:06:11 so 49 gets a full talk? Is it ok for everyone? 2019-02-27 22:06:17 49 has a high risk to be a weak talk... most of all because he does not feel confident in english (no idea what his real skills are) 2019-02-27 22:06:34 but he will bring a topic that will probably be interesting. 2019-02-27 22:06:55 i'd like 49 in concert with the inkscape devs and a 1.0 release announcement :-D 2019-02-27 22:08:13 or only an LT? 2019-02-27 22:08:19 he is trying hard to do something good. let's give him some karma : - ) 2019-02-27 22:09:32 +1 2019-02-27 22:11:29 ok. 56-58: It stays we would get an updated version of the abstracts, but I do not remember why. Did anyone get something? Otherwise I would ask them again 2019-02-27 22:12:21 i don't remember 2019-02-27 22:12:48 was it because we asked for a change of format for one of the items? 2019-02-27 22:13:21 Maybe... I get in touch with them 2019-02-27 22:13:49 And last question: we have two new propositions: 68 + 69 2019-02-27 22:14:32 Do we want to have them in if we have free time slots once we have worked over the schedule? 2019-02-27 22:15:56 why not 2019-02-27 22:16:29 houz: because the deadline is long passeed..? 2019-02-27 22:17:46 while lightning talks are indeed still possible and desired (the form having been online makes it seem like we could be accepting though) 2019-02-27 22:17:59 well, we still had the form on the website (now we shut it down). So people might not have seen that the deadline has passed 2019-02-27 22:18:39 the form is not online anymore since a week. so it won't come more. 2019-02-27 22:19:44 Otherwise we tell them that they can do a LT during LGM. And that they might get a time slot if someone is sick or does not come 2019-02-27 22:20:31 I think it would be reasonable to just encourage them to attend and do LTs 2019-02-27 22:20:49 the schedule will still be full if we do not accept them (and 68 has already a workshop) 2019-02-27 22:20:55 saves a lot of schedule puzzling and still gives them encouragement to participate 2019-02-27 22:21:26 @gingercoons +1 - and it is fair for people who participated on time 2019-02-27 22:22:34 so, boud, you you do the state of libre graphics? 2019-02-27 22:22:58 For me for today all questions concerning programm and schedule are answered so we can continue to work on it. I will confirm the persons we wrote about tonight. 2019-02-27 22:23:10 ... i've created a (growing) list of projects to be contacted... and i can help you get in touch with them. 2019-02-27 22:23:54 before everyone leaves, we really need a decision about sponsoring information on the website. shall we just copy&paste from last years? 2019-02-27 22:23:56 nice, Aude_K8 2019-02-27 22:24:27 a-l-e: if people want me to, sure. I will check out your list and it would be nice to have help contacting projects. 2019-02-27 22:24:33 https://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2016/support-lgm/sponsorship/ might be a source to take from 2019-02-27 22:25:42 boud, the list is here: https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2019/issues/1 2019-02-27 22:25:50 thanks 2019-02-27 22:26:11 and i would suggest to use the attached repo for collecting the slides, like we did last year: 2019-02-27 22:26:20 https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2019 2019-02-27 22:26:20 golly 2019-02-27 22:26:23 houz: which only needs small amendments, like contact information and an update to the list of past LGMs 2019-02-27 22:26:34 I think that three slides per project will be too much, unless most projects don't reply 2019-02-27 22:28:33 a-l-e: maybe we should ask projects to send me chatty text too, so I can get to know the projects I'm not too familiar with and create a kind of narrative 2019-02-27 22:29:18 boud, good idea... 2019-02-27 22:29:29 boud: this is last years description of submmissions https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2018 - (mostly unchanged since the first state of libre graphisc) that asks for speaker notes and more, as well as file naming conventions 2019-02-27 22:29:30 @houz we already have the paypal button on the website. We can indead use the infos of 2016, we could have that online in the next days... 2019-02-27 22:29:30 we can add more details on what projectname.txt should contain. 2019-02-27 22:29:41 gingercoons_: yes, but we need a decision if we want that at all. if we want to keep the amounts and the "benefits" 2019-02-27 22:29:49 it also asks for *two* content slides, and one "title/project logo summary" slide 2019-02-27 22:30:03 pippin, i've already copied it into https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2019 : - ) 2019-02-27 22:30:23 Aude_K8: agnès was contacted by opensuse who asked about details how to sponsor lgm 2019-02-27 22:31:28 boud, we can enhance the sample .txt file: https://github.com/libregraphicsmeeting/state-of-lg-2019/blob/master/sample-project/sample-project.md 2019-02-27 22:31:49 @houz I don't know about that but I can speak with her (her child is sick since 10 days so that I do not get all infos...) 2019-02-27 22:32:17 a-l-e: I'll keep that open and think about it for a bit 2019-02-27 22:32:25 and also note that if what is provided is a guideline, and the presenter will try to be faithful, but clarifying details might be better than a script to speak :) 2019-02-27 22:32:25 it does not hurry (yet) 2019-02-27 22:32:28 houz: fair point. I suppose the value of the tiers is worth re-considering 2019-02-27 22:32:50 pippin: right 2019-02-27 22:33:01 Quick question for K8 folks. Are you in a position to accept "global" funds past this year's event? 2019-02-27 22:33:18 a-l-e: right, too. By then I should have released Krita 4.2... And that seems ages right now! 2019-02-27 22:34:12 @franktrampe what do you mean whith "global funds"? 2019-02-27 22:34:53 Money not spent on the local event. Money for travel reimbursements for 2020, for example. 2019-02-27 22:35:35 I have to check that but I think so. Since we did that for the travel reimbursments in Sevilla 2019-02-27 22:35:47 franktrampe: have lgm ever had excess funds from year to year? this is news to me. 2019-02-27 22:36:05 It will be news, but we will make it happen somehow. 2019-02-27 22:36:06 :-) 2019-02-27 22:36:29 I check and let you know in the next chat 2019-02-27 22:36:33 Okay. 2019-02-27 22:36:41 so, i don't need to come by bicycle? 2019-02-27 22:37:06 well you should, bicycle is nice in Saarbrücken:-) 2019-02-27 22:37:22 when do we do the next chat? 2019-02-27 22:37:49 next wednesday is not possible for me. In two weeks? 2019-02-27 22:38:20 that would be march 13th 2019-02-27 22:38:23 ? 2019-02-27 22:38:25 ok - we could make a public statement on the website about the progress of the schedules (count of events of what type) 2019-02-27 22:38:38 i'd like to have the schedule out as soon as possible 2019-02-27 22:38:38 ok 2019-02-27 22:38:39 it's a blog : - ) 2019-02-27 22:38:57 yeah, let's use the blog. is anyone willing to help writing stuff? 2019-02-27 22:39:29 @houz so a chat next week? Probably Soenke can do it even if I can't 2019-02-27 22:39:46 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to a-l-e 2019-02-27 22:39:58 otherwise i will be the local contact in the meeting 2019-02-27 22:40:07 * a-l-e has changed the topic to: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ - next LGM: 29 May to June 2 2019 in Saarbrücken - next org meeting: Wednesday March 13th, 21:00 CE(S)T 2019-02-27 22:40:11 and we can work the schedule over in the next days 2019-02-27 22:40:18 if it's just to look over the new schedule and accept it i feel qualified :-) 2019-02-27 22:40:33 Aude_K8: i will be sick on friday though 2019-02-27 22:41:05 @houw I am sick from friday until tuesday. Let's do it tomorrow 2019-02-27 22:41:12 :-) 2019-02-27 22:41:45 so next chat on march 6th? 2019-02-27 22:41:54 Works for me. 2019-02-27 22:41:59 who can hand out credentials for blogging on the website? a-l-e? 2019-02-27 22:42:08 Aude_K8: +1 2019-02-27 22:44:18 houz, at least myself and soenke 2019-02-27 22:44:30 ok 2019-02-27 22:45:05 We are done for tonight? 2019-02-27 22:45:11 seems so 2019-02-27 22:45:17 Let's do a quick review of the SPI thing. 2019-02-27 22:45:24 right 2019-02-27 22:45:34 I'll put it to the mailing list later, but I'd appreciate a quick run-through with those present. 2019-02-27 22:45:45 Per the e-mail, the arrangement isn't exclusive and has no flat fees. 2019-02-27 22:46:01 i am fine with applying. it's a no-strings-attached deal, so what is there to lose? 2019-02-27 22:46:08 That's my thought on it. 2019-02-27 22:46:53 We also need to pick a "liaison" for the relationship. It makes sense for me to serve in this capacity, but that is not covered by the resolution from 2017. 2019-02-27 22:47:09 So we would also need to solicit other nominations and to vote on that. 2019-02-27 22:47:37 as long as it's not me i am fine with any volunteer ;-) 2019-02-27 22:47:41 Hehe. 2019-02-27 22:48:31 Alright. If there are no objections, I'll put this to the mailing list right now. 2019-02-27 22:48:39 let's put it on the list to vote with a 24h time frame or something like that. 36h max so that the proposal can be sent in time 2019-02-27 22:48:57 Right. Forgot about that. 2019-02-27 22:49:02 But we'll get it done somehow. 2019-02-27 22:49:29 Folks here remember to participate so we don't have a "passed by a majority of the 2 people present" scenario. 2019-02-27 22:49:45 Anyway, that's all I have. 2019-02-27 22:49:48 Anybody else? 2019-02-27 22:50:25 just put a "URGENT" in the subject... 2019-02-27 22:50:47 or VOTE TODAY 2019-02-27 22:50:51 Will do. 2019-02-27 22:51:22 !!!1!one!! 2019-02-27 22:52:41 ok then - I wish everyone good night. Bonne nuit! 2019-02-27 22:53:02 good night. my schedule says i need to sleep 2019-02-27 22:53:12 :-) 2019-02-27 22:53:23 Good night. 2019-02-27 22:53:36 bonne nuit | gute nacht | buona notte : - )