2017-10-25 21:03:26 | <a-l-e> good evening... |
2017-10-25 21:03:33 | <laraaaa> hi all |
2017-10-25 21:05:20 | <a-l-e> ... the sevilla crew does not seem to be online... |
2017-10-25 21:07:33 | <a-l-e> the two news i captured from the last week: |
2017-10-25 21:07:43 | <a-l-e> - the dates are somehow definitive |
2017-10-25 21:07:53 | <a-l-e> - the website will be up and running very soon. |
2017-10-25 21:09:15 | <pippin> good :) |
2017-10-25 21:11:36 | <sanguivor> What are the dates? |
2017-10-25 21:12:07 | <a-l-e> end of april |
2017-10-25 21:12:33 | <sanguivor> Ah ok. I thought you meant there were exact dates already. |
2017-10-25 21:12:53 | <a-l-e> exact dates have been proposed but i don't have them here... |
2017-10-25 21:13:37 | <a-l-e> they should be in the protocol of the last meeting... which has been sent by houz to the mailing list... |
2017-10-25 21:13:44 | <a-l-e> (i'm on a tram haeding home...) |
2017-10-25 21:14:03 | <laraaaa> it was the last weekend of april |
2017-10-25 21:14:05 | <a-l-e> (4 minutes left until i have to get out and walk in the dark) |
2017-10-25 21:14:20 | <pippin> https://houz.org/LGM/2018/?logfile=LGM2018_meeting_log_2017_10_10 |
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2017-10-25 21:21:53 | <alewwb> Sorry for the delay |
2017-10-25 21:22:09 | <alewwb> Just ended a talk right now |
2017-10-25 21:22:19 | <ale[m]> Ola |
2017-10-25 21:22:23 | <alewwb> Hi, Ale |
2017-10-25 21:22:24 | <alewwb> :-) |
2017-10-25 21:22:50 | <alewwb> Have you talked about any issue already? |
2017-10-25 21:23:48 | <alewwb> Or might I talk about our progress so far? |
2017-10-25 21:23:52 | * ale[m] is walking into his home... |
2017-10-25 21:24:04 | <gingercoons> a progress update sounds great :) |
2017-10-25 21:24:14 | <alewwb> ok |
2017-10-25 21:24:15 | <alewwb> :-) |
2017-10-25 21:24:41 | <alewwb> how to start... |
2017-10-25 21:24:43 | <alewwb> :-) |
2017-10-25 21:24:54 | <alewwb> first of all, we've the website almost ready |
2017-10-25 21:25:20 | <alewwb> I think this friday we'll work with Ale to put the dev version online |
2017-10-25 21:25:59 | <alewwb> if you want to check the dev version you can check it here --all content is fake--: lgm.414c45.net |
2017-10-25 21:26:20 | <alewwb> second, we've asked for financiation to a Seville university program |
2017-10-25 21:26:46 | <alewwb> I don't know if we'll get it |
2017-10-25 21:26:53 | <alewwb> but it's a first step |
2017-10-25 21:26:54 | <alewwb> ;-) |
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2017-10-25 21:27:29 | <alewwb> and third, we've some confirmations of the first stage of LGM |
2017-10-25 21:27:43 | <alewwb> programme confirmations |
2017-10-25 21:28:04 | <alewwb> so we've two of the three proposed events confirmed |
2017-10-25 21:28:13 | <alewwb> and we've also confirm the live show for the LGM |
2017-10-25 21:28:21 | <alewwb> *confirmation* |
2017-10-25 21:28:52 | <alewwb> that's a very shor summary of the situation right now |
2017-10-25 21:29:15 | <laraaaa> what are the programs that are confirmed? |
2017-10-25 21:29:28 | <alewwb> sorry guys I've to go, I come back asap |
2017-10-25 21:29:32 | <laraaaa> proposals rather |
2017-10-25 21:29:32 | <pippin> sounds like there will be content to use for the website as well soon then :) |
2017-10-25 21:29:38 | <alewwb> they are kicking me out of the venue |
2017-10-25 21:29:55 | <a-l-e> eh eh |
2017-10-25 21:32:06 | <alewwb> hi again |
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2017-10-25 21:33:01 | <alewwb> the proposals confirmed are: workshop and projection about blender as editing software |
2017-10-25 21:33:09 | <a-l-e> except for me helping you to get the website online... is there anything that should be done at the "international" level? |
2017-10-25 21:33:35 | <alewwb> We've doubts |
2017-10-25 21:33:42 | <alewwb> for example, about financiation |
2017-10-25 21:33:54 | <alewwb> we can look for some funds |
2017-10-25 21:34:10 | <a-l-e> i think that frank wanted to take that part on him... |
2017-10-25 21:34:12 | <alewwb> but probably that won't be much |
2017-10-25 21:34:28 | <a-l-e> ... it would be time to see some action there : - ) |
2017-10-25 21:35:04 | <alewwb> so up to which point do we have to fund the programme? |
2017-10-25 21:35:16 | <alewwb> or it's more a self-managed thing? |
2017-10-25 21:35:31 | <alewwb> I don't know if you get me |
2017-10-25 21:35:41 | <a-l-e> do you mean the talks & co? |
2017-10-25 21:35:56 | <alewwb> yes |
2017-10-25 21:35:59 | <a-l-e> it's basically not founded... |
2017-10-25 21:36:11 | <a-l-e> travelling should be reimbursed if we have founds. |
2017-10-25 21:36:14 | <alewwb> so participants pay their trip, diets... |
2017-10-25 21:36:30 | <pippin> but it is a good thing it is in europe this year, since the majority of our attendees have tended to be europeans :) |
2017-10-25 21:36:35 | <a-l-e> yes, food and lodging is payed by the participants (or their employers) |
2017-10-25 21:36:44 | <alewwb> ah, ok |
2017-10-25 21:37:06 | <a-l-e> and travelling will probably be rather cheap... as pippin says |
2017-10-25 21:37:10 | <alewwb> better, because there's no money for culture in Spain |
2017-10-25 21:37:23 | <alewwb> they want all for cops in Cataluña |
2017-10-25 21:37:44 | <alewwb> more doubts |
2017-10-25 21:37:55 | <alewwb> we've doubts about the language |
2017-10-25 21:38:03 | <alewwb> so, all the talks must be in English? |
2017-10-25 21:38:58 | <pippin> not neccesarily - some chunks of talks, perhaps introductions to some of the softwares *could* be tailored to locals |
2017-10-25 21:39:23 | <alewwb> ok |
2017-10-25 21:39:23 | <gingercoons> some years, there's been simultaneous translation, but that of course costs money |
2017-10-25 21:39:47 | <pippin> and that is only easy if there is a funds and behind the language in question |
2017-10-25 21:39:55 | <nomis> hi all. |
2017-10-25 21:40:24 | <alewwb> we won't have simultaneous translation, I'm almost sure of that |
2017-10-25 21:40:39 | <gingercoons> :) it's definitely not compulsory |
2017-10-25 21:40:46 | <alewwb> because we've been talking about possible talks of local people |
2017-10-25 21:40:58 | <alewwb> but English is not the strong point of any of them |
2017-10-25 21:41:11 | <a-l-e> i guess that talks for a "larger public" could / should be in spanish... |
2017-10-25 21:41:42 | <a-l-e> ... for more focused talks, it would be nice if at least the slides would be in english |
2017-10-25 21:41:42 | <pippin> a separate parallel spanish track .. would however not be good |
2017-10-25 21:41:57 | <alewwb> I suppose we'll have to think about it later with the programme in a more mature shape |
2017-10-25 21:42:36 | <gingercoons> and that's certainly something that the programme committee could be helpful for thinking about |
2017-10-25 21:42:44 | <alewwb> yes |
2017-10-25 21:43:20 | <alewwb> another thing we were thinking |
2017-10-25 21:43:25 | <pippin> locally sourced talks that are interesting for international visitors; would probably be better in a bit broken english, than less attended |
2017-10-25 21:43:47 | <alewwb> yes, you're right |
2017-10-25 21:44:02 | <alewwb> we were thinking also in a topic for the LGM |
2017-10-25 21:44:21 | <alewwb> and we were thinking in something like 'free tools for a free culture' |
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2017-10-25 21:44:38 | <alewwb> to cover not only technicalities |
2017-10-25 21:44:49 | <alewwb> but to extend the programme to free culture practices |
2017-10-25 21:44:58 | <alewwb> althought they don't use free tools per se |
2017-10-25 21:45:32 | <alewwb> and to think how do we bridge the gap between both |
2017-10-25 21:45:32 | <pippin> what kind of free cultural practicses? ... folk music? |
2017-10-25 21:45:42 | <alewwb> folk music? |
2017-10-25 21:45:44 | <alewwb> :-D |
2017-10-25 21:46:07 | <alewwb> no, practices that advocate for cultural remix, free licenses, public domain culture... |
2017-10-25 21:46:13 | <pippin> wrt copyright and adaptation... it is a free cultural practice predating copyright |
2017-10-25 21:46:30 | <gingercoons> all that licensing stuff is definitely within the scope of lgm |
2017-10-25 21:46:32 | <pippin> free culture predates the current legal ip-regime |
2017-10-25 21:47:03 | <gingercoons> it's nicer if it's done with free software, of course... |
2017-10-25 21:47:13 | <alewwb> I completely agree |
2017-10-25 21:47:20 | <alewwb> that's the part of bridging the gap |
2017-10-25 21:47:25 | <gingercoons> but we've never really excluded people for trying their best :) |
2017-10-25 21:47:47 | <alewwb> for example we've in Seville two interesting projects |
2017-10-25 21:47:53 | <schumaml> the general public pretty much ignores copyright until it hits them in the face (i.e. they get a cease and desist letter and a fine for sharing something) |
2017-10-25 21:48:12 | <alewwb> one is Zemos, they've done a pretty famous festival here than advocated for free culture |
2017-10-25 21:48:21 | <alewwb> they're not free tech guys |
2017-10-25 21:48:32 | <a-l-e> (well, i would like to get them to try free tools...) |
2017-10-25 21:48:42 | <alewwb> but probably they could give an interesting talk about free culture |
2017-10-25 21:48:49 | <alewwb> another one is Archivo contra la Pared |
2017-10-25 21:49:02 | <alewwb> it's a project that tries to recover a lot of graphic materials |
2017-10-25 21:49:13 | <alewwb> done in the context of Seville's social movements |
2017-10-25 21:49:20 | <alewwb> not done with free software probably |
2017-10-25 21:49:23 | <laraaaa> it would be great to engage them in exploring the tools at the lgm... |
2017-10-25 21:49:47 | <alewwb> yes, that could be great |
2017-10-25 21:49:57 | <a-l-e> at its roots the lgm is about creating and discussing free tools... |
2017-10-25 21:51:03 | <a-l-e> ... my position is that "free" projects who do not use free tools are welcome to present their work at the lgm... but they should have first done an effort in using free tools. |
2017-10-25 21:51:56 | <a-l-e> (but that's only my personal position) |
2017-10-25 21:51:59 | <alewwb> could you explain a bit further the last part? |
2017-10-25 21:53:09 | <pippin> we've had people showing up .. in practice spending their entire talk complaining that free tools are not exactly like their proprietary favored tool |
2017-10-25 21:53:20 | <a-l-e> something like having done at least a pilot project with free tools... o having converted part of their work to fee tools? |
2017-10-25 21:54:16 | <alewwb> the point is a big part of that block is not about things that you do with digital tools |
2017-10-25 21:54:44 | <alewwb> for example recovering the graphic memory of the social movements is not about digital tools |
2017-10-25 21:54:50 | <alewwb> is about memory |
2017-10-25 21:55:08 | <alewwb> for me it's hard to say if they fall inside LGM's scope... |
2017-10-25 21:55:09 | <a-l-e> if no digital tool is involved, it could be interesting to hear, but it's more a "amenity" in the program to me : - ) |
2017-10-25 21:55:15 | <alewwb> ok |
2017-10-25 21:55:23 | <pippin> scanning and cleaning up, as well as databases used for archiving .. are things that can be done with free or non-free tools... |
2017-10-25 21:55:56 | <schumaml> alewwb: if no digital tools are involved, how do they recover the memories and make them available ot the public? |
2017-10-25 21:56:06 | <alewwb> well |
2017-10-25 21:56:06 | <pippin> as a minimum requirement we'd expect their cleaned up scans or similar to be available under free licenses |
2017-10-25 21:56:21 | <schumaml> or do you mean that they do not care about the tools at all and use whatever is available? |
2017-10-25 21:56:23 | <alewwb> yes, there're digital tools, I was wrong |
2017-10-25 21:56:40 | <alewwb> I was saying they're not producing the materials |
2017-10-25 21:56:47 | <alewwb> only recovering them |
2017-10-25 21:57:21 | <alewwb> they digitalise them and offer freely online |
2017-10-25 21:57:35 | <alewwb> of course using digital tools |
2017-10-25 21:57:36 | <alewwb> :-) |
2017-10-25 21:57:44 | <alewwb> http://www.archivocontralapared.com/ |
2017-10-25 21:57:46 | <mrscribe> Title: Archivo Contra la Pared (at www.archivocontralapared.com) |
2017-10-25 21:58:28 | <alewwb> they use a free soft called Omeka |
2017-10-25 21:58:32 | <alewwb> for the database |
2017-10-25 21:59:20 | <schumaml> it is important to have the right people of the projects at LGM |
2017-10-25 22:00:05 | <schumaml> as an example, I've once been to a talk at a CCC congress where the presenter wanted to show SVG as a designer tool, and everyone in the room was there for the technical aspects of SVG |
2017-10-25 22:01:00 | <alewwb> but I didn't want to talk about specific potential talks |
2017-10-25 22:01:21 | <alewwb> but more about the possible topic |
2017-10-25 22:01:36 | <a-l-e> omeka seems to be free software... |
2017-10-25 22:01:41 | <alewwb> it is |
2017-10-25 22:02:02 | <alewwb> it's a soft to create digital collections |
2017-10-25 22:02:04 | <pippin> https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ is a project from one of our repeat visitors |
2017-10-25 22:02:29 | <a-l-e> it does not seem to be a typical subject for the lgm, but some aspects of it could be |
2017-10-25 22:04:05 | <ankh> and i use free (and in some cases open source but not libre) software for fromoldbooks.org too :) |
2017-10-25 22:04:39 | <alewwb> I suppose that again, is a matter of composing the programme knowing more about it |
2017-10-25 22:05:17 | <alewwb> so, I've to go really soon |
2017-10-25 22:05:31 | <ankh> the importance of open file formats & tools from an archive perspective might make a useful track |
2017-10-25 22:05:31 | <a-l-e> next meeting? |
2017-10-25 22:05:41 | <alewwb> two weeks from now, wednesday? |
2017-10-25 22:06:01 | <laraaaa> 8th nov |
2017-10-25 22:06:03 | <alewwb> november 8th? |
2017-10-25 22:06:04 | <alewwb> yes |
2017-10-25 22:06:05 | <alewwb> :-) |
2017-10-25 22:06:34 | <alewwb> it's been an interesting chat, less doubts now |
2017-10-25 22:06:36 | <alewwb> :-) |
2017-10-25 22:06:38 | <alewwb> thanks |
2017-10-25 22:08:03 | <pippin> if the website starts being more ready for next meeting, then the program team can try to work efficiently on the call for talks/workshops |
2017-10-25 22:08:40 | <alewwb> ah, another thing |
2017-10-25 22:08:52 | <alewwb> is we've thought in distributing the actual three person local team |
2017-10-25 22:09:06 | <alewwb> into the different LGM teams |
2017-10-25 22:09:16 | <alewwb> so Albert would join infrastructure |
2017-10-25 22:09:21 | <alewwb> Maka communication |
2017-10-25 22:09:24 | <alewwb> and me programme |
2017-10-25 22:09:29 | * ChanServ gives channel operator status to a-l-e |
2017-10-25 22:09:37 | * a-l-e has changed the topic to: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ - 2018 end of april in sevilla - next org meeting: 8 november 2017, 21:00 CE(S)T |
2017-10-25 22:09:51 | * a-l-e has changed the topic to: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ - LGM 2018: end of april in sevilla - next org meeting: 8 november 2017, 21:00 CE(S)T |
2017-10-25 22:10:34 | <a-l-e> not a bad idea... |
2017-10-25 22:11:40 | <alewwb> well, I've to go |
2017-10-25 22:11:52 | <alewwb> so see you at the next IRC! |
2017-10-25 22:12:11 | <a-l-e> yep (and on friday for the website!) |
2017-10-25 22:12:14 | <alewwb> yes |
2017-10-25 22:12:16 | <alewwb> ;) |
2017-10-25 22:12:27 | <alewwb> bye! |
2017-10-25 22:12:37 | <laraaaa> see ya then -bye all |
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2017-10-25 22:12:45 | <a-l-e> ciao |
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