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LGM2018_meeting_log_2017_10_25

2017-10-25 21:03:26<a-l-e> good evening...
2017-10-25 21:03:33<laraaaa> hi all
2017-10-25 21:05:20<a-l-e> ... the sevilla crew does not seem to be online...
2017-10-25 21:07:33<a-l-e> the two news i captured from the last week:
2017-10-25 21:07:43<a-l-e> - the dates are somehow definitive
2017-10-25 21:07:53<a-l-e> - the website will be up and running very soon.
2017-10-25 21:09:15<pippin> good :)
2017-10-25 21:11:36<sanguivor> What are the dates?
2017-10-25 21:12:07<a-l-e> end of april
2017-10-25 21:12:33<sanguivor> Ah ok. I thought you meant there were exact dates already.
2017-10-25 21:12:53<a-l-e> exact dates have been proposed but i don't have them here...
2017-10-25 21:13:37<a-l-e> they should be in the protocol of the last meeting... which has been sent by houz to the mailing list...
2017-10-25 21:13:44<a-l-e> (i'm on a tram haeding home...)
2017-10-25 21:14:03<laraaaa> it was the last weekend of april
2017-10-25 21:14:05<a-l-e> (4 minutes left until i have to get out and walk in the dark)
2017-10-25 21:14:20<pippin> https://houz.org/LGM/2018/?logfile=LGM2018_meeting_log_2017_10_10
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2017-10-25 21:21:53<alewwb> Sorry for the delay
2017-10-25 21:22:09<alewwb> Just ended a talk right now
2017-10-25 21:22:19<ale[m]> Ola
2017-10-25 21:22:23<alewwb> Hi, Ale
2017-10-25 21:22:24<alewwb> :-)
2017-10-25 21:22:50<alewwb> Have you talked about any issue already?
2017-10-25 21:23:48<alewwb> Or might I talk about our progress so far?
2017-10-25 21:23:52* ale[m] is walking into his home...
2017-10-25 21:24:04<gingercoons> a progress update sounds great :)
2017-10-25 21:24:14<alewwb> ok
2017-10-25 21:24:15<alewwb> :-)
2017-10-25 21:24:41<alewwb> how to start...
2017-10-25 21:24:43<alewwb> :-)
2017-10-25 21:24:54<alewwb> first of all, we've the website almost ready
2017-10-25 21:25:20<alewwb> I think this friday we'll work with Ale to put the dev version online
2017-10-25 21:25:59<alewwb> if you want to check the dev version you can check it here --all content is fake--: lgm.414c45.net
2017-10-25 21:26:20<alewwb> second, we've asked for financiation to a Seville university program
2017-10-25 21:26:46<alewwb> I don't know if we'll get it
2017-10-25 21:26:53<alewwb> but it's a first step
2017-10-25 21:26:54<alewwb> ;-)
2017-10-25 21:27:15* a-l-e (~a-l-e@31.24.13.70) has joined
2017-10-25 21:27:29<alewwb> and third, we've some confirmations of the first stage of LGM
2017-10-25 21:27:43<alewwb> programme confirmations
2017-10-25 21:28:04<alewwb> so we've two of the three proposed events confirmed
2017-10-25 21:28:13<alewwb> and we've also confirm the live show for the LGM
2017-10-25 21:28:21<alewwb> *confirmation*
2017-10-25 21:28:52<alewwb> that's a very shor summary of the situation right now
2017-10-25 21:29:15<laraaaa> what are the programs that are confirmed?
2017-10-25 21:29:28<alewwb> sorry guys I've to go, I come back asap
2017-10-25 21:29:32<laraaaa> proposals rather
2017-10-25 21:29:32<pippin> sounds like there will be content to use for the website as well soon then :)
2017-10-25 21:29:38<alewwb> they are kicking me out of the venue
2017-10-25 21:29:55<a-l-e> eh eh
2017-10-25 21:32:06<alewwb> hi again
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2017-10-25 21:33:01<alewwb> the proposals confirmed are: workshop and projection about blender as editing software
2017-10-25 21:33:09<a-l-e> except for me helping you to get the website online... is there anything that should be done at the "international" level?
2017-10-25 21:33:35<alewwb> We've doubts
2017-10-25 21:33:42<alewwb> for example, about financiation
2017-10-25 21:33:54<alewwb> we can look for some funds
2017-10-25 21:34:10<a-l-e> i think that frank wanted to take that part on him...
2017-10-25 21:34:12<alewwb> but probably that won't be much
2017-10-25 21:34:28<a-l-e> ... it would be time to see some action there : - )
2017-10-25 21:35:04<alewwb> so up to which point do we have to fund the programme?
2017-10-25 21:35:16<alewwb> or it's more a self-managed thing?
2017-10-25 21:35:31<alewwb> I don't know if you get me
2017-10-25 21:35:41<a-l-e> do you mean the talks & co?
2017-10-25 21:35:56<alewwb> yes
2017-10-25 21:35:59<a-l-e> it's basically not founded...
2017-10-25 21:36:11<a-l-e> travelling should be reimbursed if we have founds.
2017-10-25 21:36:14<alewwb> so participants pay their trip, diets...
2017-10-25 21:36:30<pippin> but it is a good thing it is in europe this year, since the majority of our attendees have tended to be europeans :)
2017-10-25 21:36:35<a-l-e> yes, food and lodging is payed by the participants (or their employers)
2017-10-25 21:36:44<alewwb> ah, ok
2017-10-25 21:37:06<a-l-e> and travelling will probably be rather cheap... as pippin says
2017-10-25 21:37:10<alewwb> better, because there's no money for culture in Spain
2017-10-25 21:37:23<alewwb> they want all for cops in Cataluña
2017-10-25 21:37:44<alewwb> more doubts
2017-10-25 21:37:55<alewwb> we've doubts about the language
2017-10-25 21:38:03<alewwb> so, all the talks must be in English?
2017-10-25 21:38:58<pippin> not neccesarily - some chunks of talks, perhaps introductions to some of the softwares *could* be tailored to locals
2017-10-25 21:39:23<alewwb> ok
2017-10-25 21:39:23<gingercoons> some years, there's been simultaneous translation, but that of course costs money
2017-10-25 21:39:47<pippin> and that is only easy if there is a funds and behind the language in question
2017-10-25 21:39:55<nomis> hi all.
2017-10-25 21:40:24<alewwb> we won't have simultaneous translation, I'm almost sure of that
2017-10-25 21:40:39<gingercoons> :) it's definitely not compulsory
2017-10-25 21:40:46<alewwb> because we've been talking about possible talks of local people
2017-10-25 21:40:58<alewwb> but English is not the strong point of any of them
2017-10-25 21:41:11<a-l-e> i guess that talks for a "larger public" could / should be in spanish...
2017-10-25 21:41:42<a-l-e> ... for more focused talks, it would be nice if at least the slides would be in english
2017-10-25 21:41:42<pippin> a separate parallel spanish track .. would however not be good
2017-10-25 21:41:57<alewwb> I suppose we'll have to think about it later with the programme in a more mature shape
2017-10-25 21:42:36<gingercoons> and that's certainly something that the programme committee could be helpful for thinking about
2017-10-25 21:42:44<alewwb> yes
2017-10-25 21:43:20<alewwb> another thing we were thinking
2017-10-25 21:43:25<pippin> locally sourced talks that are interesting for international visitors; would probably be better in a bit broken english, than less attended
2017-10-25 21:43:47<alewwb> yes, you're right
2017-10-25 21:44:02<alewwb> we were thinking also in a topic for the LGM
2017-10-25 21:44:21<alewwb> and we were thinking in something like 'free tools for a free culture'
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2017-10-25 21:44:38<alewwb> to cover not only technicalities
2017-10-25 21:44:49<alewwb> but to extend the programme to free culture practices
2017-10-25 21:44:58<alewwb> althought they don't use free tools per se
2017-10-25 21:45:32<alewwb> and to think how do we bridge the gap between both
2017-10-25 21:45:32<pippin> what kind of free cultural practicses? ... folk music?
2017-10-25 21:45:42<alewwb> folk music?
2017-10-25 21:45:44<alewwb> :-D
2017-10-25 21:46:07<alewwb> no, practices that advocate for cultural remix, free licenses, public domain culture...
2017-10-25 21:46:13<pippin> wrt copyright and adaptation... it is a free cultural practice predating copyright
2017-10-25 21:46:30<gingercoons> all that licensing stuff is definitely within the scope of lgm
2017-10-25 21:46:32<pippin> free culture predates the current legal ip-regime
2017-10-25 21:47:03<gingercoons> it's nicer if it's done with free software, of course...
2017-10-25 21:47:13<alewwb> I completely agree
2017-10-25 21:47:20<alewwb> that's the part of bridging the gap
2017-10-25 21:47:25<gingercoons> but we've never really excluded people for trying their best :)
2017-10-25 21:47:47<alewwb> for example we've in Seville two interesting projects
2017-10-25 21:47:53<schumaml> the general public pretty much ignores copyright until it hits them in the face (i.e. they get a cease and desist letter and a fine for sharing something)
2017-10-25 21:48:12<alewwb> one is Zemos, they've done a pretty famous festival here than advocated for free culture
2017-10-25 21:48:21<alewwb> they're not free tech guys
2017-10-25 21:48:32<a-l-e> (well, i would like to get them to try free tools...)
2017-10-25 21:48:42<alewwb> but probably they could give an interesting talk about free culture
2017-10-25 21:48:49<alewwb> another one is Archivo contra la Pared
2017-10-25 21:49:02<alewwb> it's a project that tries to recover a lot of graphic materials
2017-10-25 21:49:13<alewwb> done in the context of Seville's social movements
2017-10-25 21:49:20<alewwb> not done with free software probably
2017-10-25 21:49:23<laraaaa> it would be great to engage them in exploring the tools at the lgm...
2017-10-25 21:49:47<alewwb> yes, that could be great
2017-10-25 21:49:57<a-l-e> at its roots the lgm is about creating and discussing free tools...
2017-10-25 21:51:03<a-l-e> ... my position is that "free" projects who do not use free tools are welcome to present their work at the lgm... but they should have first done an effort in using free tools.
2017-10-25 21:51:56<a-l-e> (but that's only my personal position)
2017-10-25 21:51:59<alewwb> could you explain a bit further the last part?
2017-10-25 21:53:09<pippin> we've had people showing up .. in practice spending their entire talk complaining that free tools are not exactly like their proprietary favored tool
2017-10-25 21:53:20<a-l-e> something like having done at least a pilot project with free tools... o having converted part of their work to fee tools?
2017-10-25 21:54:16<alewwb> the point is a big part of that block is not about things that you do with digital tools
2017-10-25 21:54:44<alewwb> for example recovering the graphic memory of the social movements is not about digital tools
2017-10-25 21:54:50<alewwb> is about memory
2017-10-25 21:55:08<alewwb> for me it's hard to say if they fall inside LGM's scope...
2017-10-25 21:55:09<a-l-e> if no digital tool is involved, it could be interesting to hear, but it's more a "amenity" in the program to me : - )
2017-10-25 21:55:15<alewwb> ok
2017-10-25 21:55:23<pippin> scanning and cleaning up, as well as databases used for archiving .. are things that can be done with free or non-free tools...
2017-10-25 21:55:56<schumaml> alewwb: if no digital tools are involved, how do they recover the memories and make them available ot the public?
2017-10-25 21:56:06<alewwb> well
2017-10-25 21:56:06<pippin> as a minimum requirement we'd expect their cleaned up scans or similar to be available under free licenses
2017-10-25 21:56:21<schumaml> or do you mean that they do not care about the tools at all and use whatever is available?
2017-10-25 21:56:23<alewwb> yes, there're digital tools, I was wrong
2017-10-25 21:56:40<alewwb> I was saying they're not producing the materials
2017-10-25 21:56:47<alewwb> only recovering them
2017-10-25 21:57:21<alewwb> they digitalise them and offer freely online
2017-10-25 21:57:35<alewwb> of course using digital tools
2017-10-25 21:57:36<alewwb> :-)
2017-10-25 21:57:44<alewwb> http://www.archivocontralapared.com/
2017-10-25 21:57:46<mrscribe> Title: Archivo Contra la Pared (at www.archivocontralapared.com)
2017-10-25 21:58:28<alewwb> they use a free soft called Omeka
2017-10-25 21:58:32<alewwb> for the database
2017-10-25 21:59:20<schumaml> it is important to have the right people of the projects at LGM
2017-10-25 22:00:05<schumaml> as an example, I've once been to a talk at a CCC congress where the presenter wanted to show SVG as a designer tool, and everyone in the room was there for the technical aspects of SVG
2017-10-25 22:01:00<alewwb> but I didn't want to talk about specific potential talks
2017-10-25 22:01:21<alewwb> but more about the possible topic
2017-10-25 22:01:36<a-l-e> omeka seems to be free software...
2017-10-25 22:01:41<alewwb> it is
2017-10-25 22:02:02<alewwb> it's a soft to create digital collections
2017-10-25 22:02:04<pippin> https://www.fromoldbooks.org/ is a project from one of our repeat visitors
2017-10-25 22:02:29<a-l-e> it does not seem to be a typical subject for the lgm, but some aspects of it could be
2017-10-25 22:04:05<ankh> and i use free (and in some cases open source but not libre) software for fromoldbooks.org too :)
2017-10-25 22:04:39<alewwb> I suppose that again, is a matter of composing the programme knowing more about it
2017-10-25 22:05:17<alewwb> so, I've to go really soon
2017-10-25 22:05:31<ankh> the importance of open file formats & tools from an archive perspective might make a useful track
2017-10-25 22:05:31<a-l-e> next meeting?
2017-10-25 22:05:41<alewwb> two weeks from now, wednesday?
2017-10-25 22:06:01<laraaaa> 8th nov
2017-10-25 22:06:03<alewwb> november 8th?
2017-10-25 22:06:04<alewwb> yes
2017-10-25 22:06:05<alewwb> :-)
2017-10-25 22:06:34<alewwb> it's been an interesting chat, less doubts now
2017-10-25 22:06:36<alewwb> :-)
2017-10-25 22:06:38<alewwb> thanks
2017-10-25 22:08:03<pippin> if the website starts being more ready for next meeting, then the program team can try to work efficiently on the call for talks/workshops
2017-10-25 22:08:40<alewwb> ah, another thing
2017-10-25 22:08:52<alewwb> is we've thought in distributing the actual three person local team
2017-10-25 22:09:06<alewwb> into the different LGM teams
2017-10-25 22:09:16<alewwb> so Albert would join infrastructure
2017-10-25 22:09:21<alewwb> Maka communication
2017-10-25 22:09:24<alewwb> and me programme
2017-10-25 22:09:29* ChanServ gives channel operator status to a-l-e
2017-10-25 22:09:37* a-l-e has changed the topic to: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ - 2018 end of april in sevilla - next org meeting: 8 november 2017, 21:00 CE(S)T
2017-10-25 22:09:51* a-l-e has changed the topic to: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/ - LGM 2018: end of april in sevilla - next org meeting: 8 november 2017, 21:00 CE(S)T
2017-10-25 22:10:34<a-l-e> not a bad idea...
2017-10-25 22:11:40<alewwb> well, I've to go
2017-10-25 22:11:52<alewwb> so see you at the next IRC!
2017-10-25 22:12:11<a-l-e> yep (and on friday for the website!)
2017-10-25 22:12:14<alewwb> yes
2017-10-25 22:12:16<alewwb> ;)
2017-10-25 22:12:27<alewwb> bye!
2017-10-25 22:12:37<laraaaa> see ya then -bye all
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2017-10-25 22:12:45<a-l-e> ciao

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