2014-01-15 18:01:12 Hola 2014-01-15 18:01:27 moin 2014-01-15 18:01:33 ciao 2014-01-15 18:03:10 oi 2014-01-15 18:05:12 lets wait some minutes and see if at least Sirko arrives 2014-01-15 18:06:05 * gnokii (~gnokii@fedora/gnokii) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:06:10 morning 2014-01-15 18:06:20 meeting starts in an hour 2014-01-15 18:06:27 * MarioB (~maker@115.78.133.75) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:06:36 or 54 minutes 2014-01-15 18:06:39 ?? 2014-01-15 18:06:49 * patdavid sits down 2014-01-15 18:06:56 * hongphuc (~hongphuc@115.78.133.75) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:07:10 hi 2014-01-15 18:08:16 didn't someone write 19:00 cet to the list earlier? 2014-01-15 18:09:25 yes, femke did 2014-01-15 18:10:15 and then two people said they preferred 1 hour earlier, noone objected. Was last weeks meeting at 18 or 19 CET ? 2014-01-15 18:10:18 it is currently midnight in vietnam, and we agreed on 18:00 CET to accomodate them.. 2014-01-15 18:10:40 woop, havent seen that mail 2014-01-15 18:10:41 we had 17:00 utc last week 2014-01-15 18:10:49 but this morning femke wrote 19:00 cet 2014-01-15 18:11:04 anyway, it seems most people are here 2014-01-15 18:12:12 I do not have time to shuffle my schedule differently each week :], and should leave in around an hour 2014-01-15 18:12:25 * kasimir-leipzig (~me@f053097159.adsl.alicedsl.de) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:12:26 agreed 2014-01-15 18:12:35 yep. I know of two topics from the mailing list: proposed CFP extension of 1 week and a proposed code of conduct. 2014-01-15 18:12:50 * houz has a longer list of things from last meeting 2014-01-15 18:12:53 Decide once and for all on time also good 2014-01-15 18:12:59 houz: good, can you bring it up? 2014-01-15 18:13:17 1) did the local team decide on a person for the selection team? kasimir-leipzig? 2014-01-15 18:15:49 gnokii: kasimir-leipzig ? 2014-01-15 18:16:04 silence means no here :p 2014-01-15 18:16:18 hello 2014-01-15 18:16:42 kasimir-leipzig: hi. did you decide whom to nominate? 2014-01-15 18:16:45 i asked the student's council of my institute, but no one of them has time 2014-01-15 18:16:59 what about you? 2014-01-15 18:17:06 or gnokii? 2014-01-15 18:17:07 I've also little time 2014-01-15 18:17:31 houz: as I said last time last option me 2014-01-15 18:17:48 let's postpone that question then 2014-01-15 18:17:59 2) did you find that uni cinema? 2014-01-15 18:18:04 There is no uni cinema 2014-01-15 18:18:12 ok 2014-01-15 18:18:14 They have booked rooms, but these were rather small rooms 2014-01-15 18:18:24 kasimir-leipzig: didnt u see the mail from gottfried? 2014-01-15 18:18:27 But there are 4-5 independent cinemas in leipzig 2014-01-15 18:18:41 gnokii: Give me 2 minutes, I'm writing a reply at the moment :) 2014-01-15 18:18:58 how are chances to get any of those at a good rate? 2014-01-15 18:19:02 aah ok, I did make an call to him few hours ago 2014-01-15 18:19:42 houz: each community driven cinema is happy to get his program filled 2014-01-15 18:20:10 without paying to the lender 2014-01-15 18:20:12 cool, i guess you will take care of the details with gotfried? 2014-01-15 18:21:12 Gottfrieds business completely I just invited Stefan Kluge for him program, place is mostly up to him 2014-01-15 18:21:23 ok 2014-01-15 18:21:39 3) has google's money for gsoc students been confirmed? MarioB? 2014-01-15 18:21:54 but we decided to make it at least not longer then 4hrs we prefer 3 2014-01-15 18:22:01 * hongphuc_ (~hongphuc@115.78.133.75) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:22:11 * hongphuc (~hongphuc@115.78.133.75) hat die Verbindung getrennt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2014-01-15 18:22:15 gnokii: makes total sense 2014-01-15 18:23:31 houz: Carol said she can give up to 500 USD per student 2014-01-15 18:23:40 carol smith? 2014-01-15 18:23:44 and she would like to know how many students plan to attend 2014-01-15 18:23:45 the gsoc person from google? 2014-01-15 18:23:50 yes carol smith 2014-01-15 18:23:53 fine 2014-01-15 18:24:01 how many did register until now? 2014-01-15 18:24:07 on your form 2014-01-15 18:24:37 i only opened the google form last night. one registered from india 2014-01-15 18:25:00 did we set a deadline for them to register? 2014-01-15 18:25:06 i don't think so 2014-01-15 18:25:12 a few students wrote that they cannot come because they have classes at that time. they want to check with their prof though 2014-01-15 18:25:37 there is no deadline set at the moment. just "as soon as possible" 2014-01-15 18:26:00 ok, so there is nothing fixed yet. just the confirmation from google that we can get a part of their gold. works for me 2014-01-15 18:26:17 the question is, what we want to do with students from outside Europe. they have higher costs than 500usd. 2014-01-15 18:26:37 louis asked if we can shift money around. did anyone ask carol about that yet? 2014-01-15 18:28:02 i have not talked with her about that yet. she is asking for the number of students and i would like to have some students signing up to give her an idea as well 2014-01-15 18:28:04 http://goo.gl/NgKei4 2014-01-15 18:28:26 please give this link to potential gsoc students 2014-01-15 18:28:59 that should be the task of the mentoring organizations. i guess only inkscape and gimp showed interest so far 2014-01-15 18:29:31 next topic: 2014-01-15 18:29:47 4) does anyone know if nathan or louis secured any sponsor money 2014-01-15 18:29:49 ? 2014-01-15 18:29:52 houz: that is not correct 2014-01-15 18:30:01 oh? 2014-01-15 18:30:06 who else? 2014-01-15 18:30:33 i am also in touch with blender and krita and i am also in contact with students from smaller orgs 2014-01-15 18:30:43 fine 2014-01-15 18:31:06 is anyone of Blender team/mentors interested in coming? 2014-01-15 18:31:08 so, what about nathan and louis? 2014-01-15 18:31:37 blender has proposed a few talks, no idea if any of them are official representatives 2014-01-15 18:31:45 or "just" community 2014-01-15 18:31:45 ok 2014-01-15 18:31:51 jonnor-work2: there is one from the blender foundation now, so an official one 2014-01-15 18:31:58 ton forwarded the info to all students. but blender people seem to do well and some of them already said they dont have time 2014-01-15 18:31:59 oh, cool 2014-01-15 18:32:02 gnokii: cool 2014-01-15 18:32:27 i guess there is nothing to decide about then. could we move on? 2014-01-15 18:32:39 yep 2014-01-15 18:32:58 only half an hour left until pippin needs to go 2014-01-15 18:33:26 CFP program extension is the most time critical thing to decide on 2014-01-15 18:33:36 i guess no one knows about new sponsors? besides that python foundation 2014-01-15 18:34:21 ok, let's talk about cfp extension. according to a-l-e's script we got 21 new proposals since yesterday noon 2014-01-15 18:34:24 61 by now 2014-01-15 18:34:29 i need to leave soon, so assuming houz posts the log again to the list, i'll read up when back 2014-01-15 18:34:30 i don't think we need an extension 2014-01-15 18:34:33 aargh 2014-01-15 18:34:39 patdavid: sure 2014-01-15 18:34:40 houz: please don't use my script. 2014-01-15 18:34:42 0 is a number 2014-01-15 18:34:51 gnokii: off by one doesn't matter 2014-01-15 18:34:55 a-l-e: ? 2014-01-15 18:35:09 there was 65 slots in the programme last year 2014-01-15 18:35:20 it's not tested and no decision should be taken based on the numbers shown. 2014-01-15 18:35:29 +1 2014-01-15 18:35:46 what should we base a decision on instead? 2014-01-15 18:35:48 a-l-e: do you think it likely that we have many more presentations that shown? 2014-01-15 18:35:50 gut feelings? 2014-01-15 18:36:05 i have no idea, as the meme goes. 2014-01-15 18:36:06 also, last year we dropped about 5 talks as irrelevant/offtopic 2014-01-15 18:36:42 there is no other way then judge them now 2014-01-15 18:36:44 since last year the talks went quite far into the evenings i would be comfortable seeing less 2014-01-15 18:36:51 so we have no idea if we have enough good content. To me, that makes extending (and in the coming week reviewing existing) the sanest option 2014-01-15 18:36:59 or u would listen, to an idea I have 2014-01-15 18:37:05 gnokii: go 2014-01-15 18:37:22 the way to judge about it, is to go through the list given by the plugin itself 2014-01-15 18:37:39 and dont' forget to have a look at the google doc. 2014-01-15 18:38:05 a-l-e: may I have access? (sorry for late timing) 2014-01-15 18:38:06 well u all got the thing with the movie night, as jonnor-work2 said we had 65 slots last year we have nearly that amount of submissions some like pippin will submit in the next hours so we will reach the level of last year 2014-01-15 18:38:14 the list not everyone has access to? doing triaging on it what should be the privilege of the content team? rather not 2014-01-15 18:38:37 adn as of the content of the submission: we seem only to be allowed to have a look at it after the submission time is over. 2014-01-15 18:38:40 if there is space left, I just do the move night not at night as more earlier that would fill an gap 2014-01-15 18:38:42 eof 2014-01-15 18:39:22 jonnor-work2: no, you're not allowed to have access to the list. 2014-01-15 18:39:31 there was also the photowalk patdavid proposed which was asked to take longer than 2h and reach into the evening. so stopping early (at least) one day would benefit many 2014-01-15 18:39:36 a-l-e: jonnor-work2 should be, he is part of the content selection team 2014-01-15 18:39:36 the rule is: only access for admins for checking that the form works. 2014-01-15 18:39:40 until the deadline. 2014-01-15 18:39:51 a-l-e: uhm. Why this rule? 2014-01-15 18:39:55 no idea. 2014-01-15 18:39:57 a-l-e: it is random people with "ties" to LGM, not even part of the organizing teams.. that I consider irrelevant for access 2014-01-15 18:40:01 Who made it? 2014-01-15 18:40:13 a-l-e: psst u talking thing that arent true 2014-01-15 18:40:13 pippin proposed it and nobody objected. 2014-01-15 18:40:14 there is no such rule. 2014-01-15 18:40:40 I stated that "random" people from the internet asking for access shuld not get it 2014-01-15 18:40:48 and gregory pittman is random 2014-01-15 18:40:53 a-l-e: I gave today Femke access to the formular and she isnt admin ;) 2014-01-15 18:41:09 the rule proposed was "content team are the only ones to access the proposal list, everyone else only sees the approved talks" 2014-01-15 18:41:10 I object. It makes zero sense to exclude the people on the content team at any time. It is needed to ensure we have the data needed to make decisions. 2014-01-15 18:41:15 femke is also part of the content selection team, that are tasked/have volunteered to spend time on selecting the talks 2014-01-15 18:41:28 nobody has been excluded, btw! 2014-01-15 18:41:43 nobody/everybody... 2014-01-15 18:42:01 the deadline has no effect on the rule 2014-01-15 18:42:05 nobody got access right except the admins, since there was no agreement nor request for other people to have acces to it. 2014-01-15 18:42:20 a-l-e: again thats not true!!!!!!!!!!! 2014-01-15 18:42:27 i've set up the system for giving broader access. 2014-01-15 18:42:30 I changed today the role model 2014-01-15 18:42:58 a-l-e: the content team was said to be allowed to see the list from the very beginning. it's just the technical problem that this allows seeing sensitive data, too 2014-01-15 18:43:23 thats right what houz is saying there was never the content team excluded 2014-01-15 18:43:29 however, could we please come back to the question if we should extend the cfp? 2014-01-15 18:43:43 however, gnokii will give access to everybody in the content team, then. 2014-01-15 18:43:53 if possible, without setting them as administrators. 2014-01-15 18:43:58 no problem to me. 2014-01-15 18:44:03 a-l-e: just make them editor thats all ;) 2014-01-15 18:44:08 pippin: it seems you turned into head of content team. what would you propose? 2014-01-15 18:44:36 a-l-e: thats why greg has role none now 2014-01-15 18:44:52 last year, femke distributed a spreadsheet with all the conent, for the team to rate and later reconcile 2014-01-15 18:45:15 that doesn't make sense until the call is over i guess? 2014-01-15 18:45:20 this seemed to work well enough; i do not think this is something we want to do within the wordpress instance? 2014-01-15 18:45:22 pippin: yes I also granted femke and whoever is in role editor the right to export the formular entries 2014-01-15 18:45:37 pippin: i also thought that now nobody access the forms and, afterwards, i would distribute a spreadsheet to the content team. 2014-01-15 18:46:01 but gnokii has changed that, so everybody in the team can ask him for access and have a peek. 2014-01-15 18:46:08 * pippin submitted a talk; likely full of typos - waiting for confirmation email ;d 2014-01-15 18:46:11 the question right now isn't how to ship the data to the team, but when to close the porposal period 2014-01-15 18:47:35 or simpler: who is for extending it for one week and shifting the work of the content team (and selction of a local member) by that time? 2014-01-15 18:47:36 houz: i thought that the content team wanted to see the proposals now, to decide about the extension... 2014-01-15 18:48:01 i can create a spreadsheet and send it by mail to the people in the team... 2014-01-15 18:48:02 ok, then give it to them. i don't know how fast that can be read and decided though 2014-01-15 18:48:18 pippin has to leave in 15 minutes or so 2014-01-15 18:48:36 63 and 5hrs to go 2014-01-15 18:48:37 a-l-e: while you do that i will go on with my list 2014-01-15 18:48:46 well, it's not me who proposed to wait this evening to start the discussion... 2014-01-15 18:49:00 houz: should i do it or not? 2014-01-15 18:49:11 what do we gain by postponing it? 2014-01-15 18:49:23 postponing deadline or vote? 2014-01-15 18:49:24 probably nothing 2014-01-15 18:49:31 dealine 2014-01-15 18:49:44 deadline we may get 5-10 extra proposals 2014-01-15 18:50:08 assuming we don't also put in much more marketing effort 2014-01-15 18:50:15 but that seems unlikely 2014-01-15 18:50:18 imo, if there are indeed 63 propositions and they are somehow ok, we don't need to delay it. 2014-01-15 18:50:26 +1 2014-01-15 18:50:29 I put in my "extra" marketing effor 1.5 weeks ago 2014-01-15 18:50:29 +1 2014-01-15 18:51:02 so shall we keep the deadline? since we didn't specify a timezone it's over at 1200utc 2014-01-15 18:51:17 did I tell that one submission is more a submission for 8 slots? 2014-01-15 18:51:17 fair enough. If we find out that the 60+ number is a glitch and real number is much lower, we can do damage control then 2014-01-15 18:51:17 houz: i wouldn't close it in that sharp way. 2014-01-15 18:51:39 normal when no timezone specified; is when last time-zone on earth passed midnight 2014-01-15 18:51:54 a-l-e: i picked that (unlikely) timezone since that is past midnight for almost everyone 2014-01-15 18:52:08 pippin: exactly, 1200utc 2014-01-15 18:52:32 or are there timezones that are even more behind? 2014-01-15 18:52:33 * kasimir-leipzig (~me@f053097159.adsl.alicedsl.de) hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-01-15 18:52:59 last time zone + a few hours of buffer is imo ok... 2014-01-15 18:53:08 agreed 2014-01-15 18:53:10 ok, so tomorrow night? 2014-01-15 18:53:19 so we don't have to decide it... and it really does not matter if somebody submitted with a few hours delay. 2014-01-15 18:53:20 night? 2014-01-15 18:53:27 close it sometime tomorrow after noon 2014-01-15 18:53:35 and if some awesome talk happens to come in later we can still decide ad hoc what to do 2014-01-15 18:53:37 yeah, something like this. 2014-01-15 18:53:40 your discretion when :) 2014-01-15 18:54:16 but it could be an idea to have a contact email for those who still miss it (with no promises) 2014-01-15 18:54:23 (when it comes to content; we have to come up with a way to ensure that people submit slides for the state of libre graphics talk,.. *before* starting travel towards leipzig) 2014-01-15 18:54:28 jonnor-work2: +1 2014-01-15 18:54:40 pippin: agreed 2014-01-15 18:54:58 pippin: yes. What deadline do you propose for that? 2014-01-15 18:55:09 (btw """Until the deadline no-one but the 2014-01-15 18:55:09 system administrator needs to know (that the submission works)""" ... and i haven't had a look at the submissions since then). 2014-01-15 18:55:46 a-l-e: will you do the submission form closing tomorrow? or gnokii? 2014-01-15 18:56:05 i guess that gnokii will not renounce the pleasure to do it himself... 2014-01-15 18:56:06 a-l-e: that might have been harsh language; but the whole process was well on the way to disintegration at that point :] 2014-01-15 18:56:07 its not simple closinf a form 2014-01-15 18:56:22 pippin: that was the last word on it. 2014-01-15 18:56:53 we are communication breakdown pros after all 2014-01-15 18:57:01 I have no problem if a-l-e does remove all links to the submission formular, why should I ? 2014-01-15 18:57:06 i don't care. solve that between you two. just close it sometimes tomorrow afternoon :) 2014-01-15 18:57:08 a-l-e: yes; and then other sources of "activity" to put on the website was being discussed - following our timeline; we might have things to provide as content in the coming weeks ;) 2014-01-15 18:57:12 * kasimir-leipzig (~me@f053097159.adsl.alicedsl.de) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:57:22 * prokoudine (~prokoudin@ppp83-237-255-17.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:57:27 hi prokoudine 2014-01-15 18:57:32 lo 2014-01-15 18:57:38 so, may i get back to my list? 2014-01-15 18:57:40 gnokii: please, don't remove all links! 2014-01-15 18:57:56 ? 2014-01-15 18:58:04 jonnor-work2: deadline - not sure, as long as I have most slides a couple of days before, and all of them the _evening_ before, it should be ok.. 2014-01-15 18:58:23 * MarioB (~maker@115.78.133.75) hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-01-15 18:58:25 a-l-e: gnokii, will one of you send out the formular to content team after submissions have closed? 2014-01-15 18:58:28 * MarioB1 (~maker@115.78.133.75) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 18:58:33 jonnor-work2: (I've also told some blender people; that I'm willing to accept up to 100seconds of video instead of up to 3 slides; for projects so inclined) 2014-01-15 18:58:42 gnokii: no link should be removed, otherwise people following links from google or articles will get to a 404. 2014-01-15 18:59:06 a-l-e: u kiddind 2014-01-15 18:59:13 no gnokii, i'm serious. 2014-01-15 18:59:17 pippin: ok. It might be wise to sandbag a bit, and say deadline is some weeks ahead though. People always do it last minute ;) 2014-01-15 18:59:25 i take it that no one knows about louis' and nathan's sponsoring work? 2014-01-15 18:59:25 what u think they will get if the formular is closed? 2014-01-15 18:59:35 gnokii: a page with a mail address 2014-01-15 18:59:44 a page saying that the submission time is over... 2014-01-15 18:59:54 and a friendly "submissions for this years LGM is over...." 2014-01-15 19:00:01 that's how we always did and how we should do this year to... except if somebody thinks that this is shit... 2014-01-15 19:00:09 +1 2014-01-15 19:00:19 so see u have to remove the link 2014-01-15 19:00:24 gnokii: shut up! 2014-01-15 19:00:30 probably even leave the "submit" in the site header to show that this is a community driven event 2014-01-15 19:00:48 did u sleep in a power station? 2014-01-15 19:01:01 no, i' allergic on being insulted by you. 2014-01-15 19:01:02 gnokii: please stop it 2014-01-15 19:01:21 patdavid: is already working on that 2014-01-15 19:01:28 i will bring a pair of boxing gloves to lgm so you two can settle this, but now is not the time 2014-01-15 19:01:35 :) 2014-01-15 19:01:49 lets avoid discussing semantics; we all want LGM to happen; preferably with less friction :d 2014-01-15 19:01:56 again, no word from louis or nathan? 2014-01-15 19:02:09 houz: no. Request update per email? 2014-01-15 19:02:12 ... btw, personally, i have nothing to settle... i'm just fed up on being assaulted everytime i do something. 2014-01-15 19:02:25 stopping the attacs will be enough for me. 2014-01-15 19:02:32 kasimir-leipzig: did you ask the rz about our port list? 2014-01-15 19:02:45 a-l-e: I think you are doing great work 2014-01-15 19:02:47 yes, I did, but I've not received a reply yet. 2014-01-15 19:02:56 ok 2014-01-15 19:03:01 I know that luis has been digging through records - through side-effects - not sure if he is done or why he is not here though. 2014-01-15 19:03:03 and i don't need people saying that i'm doing good work. 2014-01-15 19:03:10 i just want the attacs to stop. 2014-01-15 19:03:19 and everyone else: please have a look at http://houz.org/LGM/wiki/LGM2014:Open_Ports so we have a complete list (as far as possible) 2014-01-15 19:03:48 and i don't need fighting gloves either. just a bit of calm. 2014-01-15 19:04:13 6) did femke mention if she reached someone at hgb? 2014-01-15 19:04:29 houz: once the list is complete, can you copy paste it here 2014-01-15 19:04:30 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/?page_id=280 2014-01-15 19:04:36 as a reference for the next years? 2014-01-15 19:04:58 no, i don't have a wordpress account. i can put it on the wiki though 2014-01-15 19:05:10 or do you mean the port list? 2014-01-15 19:05:12 houz: you can get a wp account if you need one. 2014-01-15 19:05:42 i mean the port list, yes. 2014-01-15 19:05:46 it seems no one knows about hgb 2014-01-15 19:06:06 7) what is the state of info@libregraphicsmeeting.org? 2014-01-15 19:06:15 has that been created? 2014-01-15 19:06:18 and who gets it? 2014-01-15 19:06:24 no but it probably can be created. 2014-01-15 19:06:31 do we want info@ 2014-01-15 19:06:39 or contact@ 2014-01-15 19:06:41 do we want also other addresses (like sponsoring) 2014-01-15 19:06:55 should they be forwards? 2014-01-15 19:06:57 a single one would be a good start 2014-01-15 19:06:57 to the mailing list? 2014-01-15 19:07:06 to a group of people? 2014-01-15 19:07:15 that was the question from last week that we wanted to hear the answer to today 2014-01-15 19:07:55 * MarioB1 (~maker@115.78.133.75) hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-01-15 19:08:00 * MarioB (~maker@115.78.133.75) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-15 19:08:02 personally, i'd like to have a info@ that goes to the mailing list. 2014-01-15 19:08:07 ack 2014-01-15 19:08:09 (or contact) 2014-01-15 19:08:26 but don't subscribe it there or it will run in circles :) 2014-01-15 19:08:46 well, it will have to be subscribed, but set as nomail... 2014-01-15 19:09:15 ok, who can add the address? 2014-01-15 19:09:22 peter will do it. 2014-01-15 19:09:28 so contact or info? 2014-01-15 19:09:29 do you take care of that? 2014-01-15 19:09:33 i'd use info 2014-01-15 19:09:34 yep, i can do it. 2014-01-15 19:09:38 great 2014-01-15 19:10:54 maybe we should do both. info@ going to the list, and contact@ that only goes to a small circle of people for more personal questions 2014-01-15 19:11:13 and make clear on the website that info@ goes to many 2014-01-15 19:11:21 mmm... i'd prefer to avoid that... 2014-01-15 19:11:37 and on the mailing list there should only be the people involved in the lgm... 2014-01-15 19:11:38 i agree that it puts more work on the few that get the mails 2014-01-15 19:11:58 i am not concerned with the people on the list but public archives 2014-01-15 19:12:00 the difference between info@ and contact@ is imo to small to make it clear what the difference is. 2014-01-15 19:12:38 let's postpone that. i would really like to have more input on that 2014-01-15 19:12:45 but if there is an agreement for it, it is doable. 2014-01-15 19:12:56 so no email or only info@ to the ML? 2014-01-15 19:13:24 let's do no mail for now and i will write a mail to the list and ask for oppinions 2014-01-15 19:13:31 (I should already be focusing on people around me instead of computer), shouldn't we have mini-mailing lists for each of the teams? so that sending email to the content, or marketing team is easy? 2014-01-15 19:13:49 pippin: sounds good 2014-01-15 19:13:59 without public registration for no-archiving? 2014-01-15 19:14:05 imo, we should have less people on the LGM list and move the general talking on the create list. 2014-01-15 19:14:18 then everyone interested in getting info@ could subscribe to the info list 2014-01-15 19:14:31 what is "info" ? 2014-01-15 19:14:42 the same as "organizers" ? 2014-01-15 19:14:49 or "team" ? 2014-01-15 19:15:09 some publicly exposed address with a nice name than @lists.freedesktop.org 2014-01-15 19:15:10 oh, good point. i've just disabled reading create@ anyway :) 2014-01-15 19:15:41 pippin: that's to be discussed 2014-01-15 19:15:43 :D 2014-01-15 19:15:50 and was the question from last week, too 2014-01-15 19:15:54 * pippin still hasn't received confirmation email for talk submission 2014-01-15 19:15:59 at the time the LGM list has been created, the idea was to have it as a list for the people organizing the LGM, but with public archives. 2014-01-15 19:16:01 pippin: no one got 2014-01-15 19:16:04 AFAIK 2014-01-15 19:16:07 pippin: will never get it 2014-01-15 19:16:44 * a-l-e wonders now if the server is sending mails or not... 2014-01-15 19:16:51 so, i will write a mail to the lgm list and ask about ideas for such a mail address, ok? 2014-01-15 19:17:20 houz: ok 2014-01-15 19:17:37 ok to me. 2014-01-15 19:17:46 8) has the cfl been sent to the relevant lists? i haven't seen it 2014-01-15 19:18:00 call for location? 2014-01-15 19:18:01 nope of course not 2014-01-15 19:18:04 that would mostly be create@ and lgm list 2014-01-15 19:18:10 jonnor-work2: yes 2014-01-15 19:18:14 for 2015 2014-01-15 19:18:28 haven't seen it, but it should go there 2014-01-15 19:18:37 + to those who were interested last year 2014-01-15 19:18:46 who wants to do that? it should be enough to link to the url i guess with a few extra lines 2014-01-15 19:20:06 no one? 2014-01-15 19:20:28 i will write a mail to the lists then, but i don't know who was interested before so i can't forward it to them 2014-01-15 19:20:43 prokoudine: would be something for you or? 2014-01-15 19:20:57 right, we have a marketing team after all :) 2014-01-15 19:21:11 marketing Hong-Phuc, Maria, Mario Website content, Social media, Press release 2014-01-15 19:21:32 maria seems to be dead, but the other two are here tonight :) 2014-01-15 19:22:15 MarioB, hongphuc_ ^ 2014-01-15 19:22:42 dead? 2014-01-15 19:22:58 in the sense of hardly online and not answering 2014-01-15 19:23:09 also, would be something for me _what_? :) 2014-01-15 19:23:10 i.e., busy with real life 2014-01-15 19:23:30 to send the cfl to the mailing lists and maybe some social media 2014-01-15 19:23:54 CFL - fine, I can do some 2014-01-15 19:24:31 prokoudine: http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/call-for-location/ 2014-01-15 19:25:05 9) what is the state of shirts? gnokii? 2014-01-15 19:25:43 my shirt money is hard to reach as is travelling in australia right now 2014-01-15 19:26:02 yes I would love to help 2014-01-15 19:26:12 ok, i will ask again next week then. is it back on the correct side of the disk by then? 2014-01-15 19:26:12 houz, got it 2014-01-15 19:26:20 point is, its just the way what need to be setup then I order a lot of shirts 2014-01-15 19:26:37 hongphuc_, prokoudine: coordinate :) 2014-01-15 19:26:54 gnokii: sebastian didn't agree to print them? 2014-01-15 19:27:26 nope his last mail was I will submit an workshop but he doesnt like to print them, so I order printed ones 2014-01-15 19:27:34 ok 2014-01-15 19:27:47 but he hasnt submitted yet 2014-01-15 19:27:56 still has a few hours 2014-01-15 19:27:59 thanks houz, i will talk to prokoudine after this 2014-01-15 19:28:17 10) was a quastion to femke, but she isn't around 2014-01-15 19:28:36 11) is a pre/post event scheduled? gnokii? 2014-01-15 19:29:02 you probably just have to organize something and not wait for people to tell you if they like your proposals 2014-01-15 19:30:04 not yet, I asked for what the people are in favor, if they not tell me I set something up and the have to eat what is served 2014-01-15 19:30:21 just do it i'd say 2014-01-15 19:31:03 at least can here all like to go to the panometer? 2014-01-15 19:31:12 +1 2014-01-15 19:31:28 yes 2014-01-15 19:32:02 only the one in Leipzig or that in Dresden to? 2014-01-15 19:32:12 12) this is a question for the local team. could you get a list of equipment that we have access to in the lecture hall? i need to know what audio equipment is installed (mixers to get a signal for recording? what connectors? xlr? ...) and if there is a way to record the video stream to the projector 2014-01-15 19:32:19 gnokii: only L 2014-01-15 19:32:21 I would only go to one 2014-01-15 19:32:34 ok looks like what femke also said 2014-01-15 19:32:37 kasimir-leipzig: ^ 2014-01-15 19:33:49 i am well aware that we won't have anything like madrid, but maybe they have at least something there 2014-01-15 19:34:15 12)=+ "what is the resolution and connectors for the projector there? (do we do recordings/streams?)" 2014-01-15 19:34:22 btw, from past experience: take care about the price of the t-shirts. 2014-01-15 19:34:41 pippin: ack 2014-01-15 19:34:49 if they're too expensive people won't buy them. and this -- iirc -- already happened at the lgm. 2014-01-15 19:34:54 a-l-e: take care how? keep them low? 2014-01-15 19:34:59 i would definitely want recordings, streams would be nice to have but are not crucial 2014-01-15 19:35:24 can we ask professionals to handle the recordings? 2014-01-15 19:35:28 jonnor-work2: just make a reality check about what people will be ready to pay. 2014-01-15 19:35:45 a-l-e: whats a good number in your eyes? 2014-01-15 19:36:01 i will by one at any price... if it's not black :-) 2014-01-15 19:36:08 haha 2014-01-15 19:36:19 I mean what do you think people will accept? 2014-01-15 19:36:20 but other people won't. 2014-01-15 19:36:22 20 EUR? 2014-01-15 19:36:22 pink. i already told you last week ;) 2014-01-15 19:36:30 guys! 2014-01-15 19:36:32 20 sounds like a lot 2014-01-15 19:36:36 iirc 20€ was the upper limit... 2014-01-15 19:36:40 or above it... 2014-01-15 19:36:42 ok 2014-01-15 19:36:54 anyway, I got to run now 2014-01-15 19:37:08 you will still sell many of them... but you risk to sit on a stock. 2014-01-15 19:37:34 well, when I see how many speakers there are I will decide prices but I can assure u they will not sold for more then 10€ 2014-01-15 19:37:57 if we get sponsoring for them all money collected is money earned. so we don't have to be super expensive. there are people that have big financial problems just getting to lgm 2014-01-15 19:38:06 thats the point 2014-01-15 19:38:15 the shirts are sponsored 2014-01-15 19:38:31 what we earn with it goes back to budget 2014-01-15 19:38:46 perfect, 200 shirts giving 10€ each are 2k more for travel fundings :) 2014-01-15 19:39:15 i'm not saying that you have to set a specific price. just take care that if the price is perceived as too high, then you risk that not all the t-shirts are sold. 2014-01-15 19:39:21 wowow, so lines above I make that decision later when I see how many speakers there are 2014-01-15 19:39:45 gnokii: all a-l-e was saying is that he agrees 2014-01-15 19:39:53 and that we shouldn't make them too expensive 2014-01-15 19:40:00 ok 2014-01-15 19:40:06 since kasimir-leipzig seems to be afk i will come to my last point then 2014-01-15 19:40:08 ... or make less of them if you only can make them expensive. 2014-01-15 19:40:15 * jonnor-work2 (~jonnor-wo@80.241.81.102) hat #LGM2014 verlassen 2014-01-15 19:40:47 hey, at the moment I'm here :) 2014-01-15 19:40:50 i guess everyone followed that CoC discussion. before getting into the details i would like to know if anyone knows about how much funding we are talking here 2014-01-15 19:40:57 oh :) 2014-01-15 19:41:03 back to 12) then 2014-01-15 19:41:16 kasimir-leipzig: can you find that stuff out? 2014-01-15 19:41:35 houz: the resolution and rec. stuff? 2014-01-15 19:41:38 yes 2014-01-15 19:41:45 yes, I can and I will :) 2014-01-15 19:41:58 recording both for audio from the hall microphones and projector image 2014-01-15 19:42:04 thank a lot 2014-01-15 19:42:06 +s 2014-01-15 19:42:23 so, back to psf 2014-01-15 19:42:43 partie socialiste francaise? 2014-01-15 19:42:52 does anyone know how much money that is which is causing us to fight? 2014-01-15 19:42:57 gnokii: no, point spread function 2014-01-15 19:43:14 python software foundation or something like that of course :) 2014-01-15 19:44:13 because, if it's not a relevant amount i would like to follow mitch's proposal to just not take their money and postpone that discussion. at least till leipzig. 2014-01-15 19:44:19 i don't see anything good coming from it 2014-01-15 19:44:47 well it looks there is a consense to that 2014-01-15 19:45:32 for some reason the germans and russians are less happy, while the countries more to the west like the idea 2014-01-15 19:45:50 did u see my last mail with the ombudsman? 2014-01-15 19:46:08 not yet 2014-01-15 19:46:20 could you quickly sum it up in here? 2014-01-15 19:46:27 now all are happy means Greg and Dave 2014-01-15 19:47:21 I just said that there is an specialist for that topic, and I am willing to ask him to watch over us and give us on the end hints for formulating coc for next lgm 2014-01-15 19:48:15 well, i still don't like the mere idea of having written down rules, but at least the topic would be off the table for now 2014-01-15 19:48:30 no written rules this time 2014-01-15 19:49:25 ok, let's don't decide on anything right now as it seems most people have left by now. let them read the backlog (*wave*) and discuss it next week 2014-01-15 19:51:14 I'm leaving in a minute if there are no more questions. See you later! 2014-01-15 19:51:27 well we should at least tell what we agreed here I am also a little bit picky about granting money only for coc but on the end mitch should be not that picky gnome does the same 2014-01-15 19:51:33 my list is done 2014-01-15 19:52:01 kasimir-leipzig: wait 2014-01-15 19:52:04 one last thing 2014-01-15 19:52:07 houz: yes 2014-01-15 19:52:08 but the difference is schumaml makes sure we meet the regulations gnome has and they dont enforce it like psf does 2014-01-15 19:52:10 actually, the first 2014-01-15 19:52:25 do you think you can find soemone from the local team for the content team? 2014-01-15 19:52:30 it's fine if you say no 2014-01-15 19:52:53 well I have an idea for that 2014-01-15 19:53:02 houz: I'm not sure... martin might know that 2014-01-15 19:53:20 Martin I asked, he is not that much interested in doing it 2014-01-15 19:53:45 i don't know if the free place for the local team comes from 1) give them the privilege to have a say in the matter, 2) move some of the work from the others or 3) bring some local knowledge to the group 2014-01-15 19:53:47 but we can ask Sebastian König 2014-01-15 19:54:00 houz/gnokii: Mh, then I've no idea... 2014-01-15 19:54:04 pippin: in case you still read this ^ 2014-01-15 19:54:32 ... well, imo having someone from the locals is a nice to have... not a necessity... 2014-01-15 19:55:25 i guess that it's moslty about getting some input concerning some specific public that might attend and being interested in some topics. 2014-01-15 19:55:29 so in case we can't find a native, shall we appoint someone from us or can the content team work fine without the extra person? 2014-01-15 19:55:50 prokoudine: ? 2014-01-15 19:56:23 oh a-l-e , you are in the team, too 2014-01-15 19:56:37 yes, i am. 2014-01-15 19:56:43 Jon, Øyvind, Femke, Alexandre, Ale, 2014-01-15 19:57:22 so if you say that you don't need any more helping hands then i'd say the local team can ask around, but if no one is interested we just skip that part 2014-01-15 19:57:25 so again, I can ask Sebastian König and if not I will do 2014-01-15 19:57:49 fine for me 2014-01-15 19:57:58 i think we should ask the other, too... but in my eyes it's ok to 5 people. 2014-01-15 19:58:16 i think we should ask the other, too... but in my eyes it's ok to have only 5 people. 2014-01-15 19:58:54 * MarioB (~maker@115.78.133.75) hat #LGM2014 verlassen 2014-01-15 19:59:24 it's just that the deadline for having the list of accepted talks done is 25'th, so in 10 days 2014-01-15 19:59:43 * kasimir-leipzig (~me@f053097159.adsl.alicedsl.de) hat die Verbindung getrennt (Quit: Leaving.) 2014-01-15 19:59:58 i wouldn't like to wait another week for a decision whom to nominate and have only 3 days left for the selection 2014-01-15 20:01:22 all wanted that until yet so why now that dance arround? 2014-01-15 20:01:41 ? 2014-01-15 20:02:48 wanted what and dance around what? 2014-01-15 20:03:36 to have an local person and dancing around the decision 2014-01-15 20:04:11 it's just that the local team still didn't appoint anyone 2014-01-15 20:04:22 there was plenty of time 2014-01-15 20:05:50 so i would like to have a decision in this meeting 2014-01-15 20:06:05 the work starts tomorrow afternoon 2014-01-15 20:06:30 yeah and? 2014-01-15 20:06:47 make a decision! 2014-01-15 20:06:54 I already did 2014-01-15 20:06:59 no, you didn't 2014-01-15 20:07:05 you said that you can ask people 2014-01-15 20:07:10 I did, said it 2 times 2014-01-15 20:07:23 so again, I can ask Sebastian König and if not I will do 2014-01-15 20:07:58 so whats the problem, you will have tomorrow evening that person one way or another 2014-01-15 20:08:16 ok 2014-01-15 20:08:51 so, does anyone else have something? 2014-01-15 20:09:22 or are these just "houz asks, some people answer" meetings? ;) 2014-01-15 20:11:15 ok, meeting over 2014-01-15 20:11:24 the logs will be online asap