**** BEGINNE LOGBUCH UM Wed Jan 8 17:29:53 2014 2014-01-08 17:29:53 * Du sprichst jetzt in #LGM2014 2014-01-08 17:59:00 * F_S (~fs@77.109.117.114.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-08 18:03:16 * gnokii (~gnokii@fedora/gnokii) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-08 18:04:17 hey, good evening 2014-01-08 18:04:52 hi 2014-01-08 18:05:04 for the record, i am logging again 2014-01-08 18:05:30 it seems like not even 50% of the people that volunteered to help out in madrid are present; I presume everyone who were there are subscribed to the lgm list 2014-01-08 18:06:02 yes. i mailed each team to confirm their interest/availability 2014-01-08 18:06:17 a few weeks ago, most answered 'yes' 2014-01-08 18:06:38 I guess I somehow called for this meeting (as well as recurring (hopefully short) weekly meetings from now on) 2014-01-08 18:06:47 well in .vn its in the middle of the night 2014-01-08 18:06:47 F_S: what are the teams; and do they have leaders? 2014-01-08 18:06:55 we did not set leaders 2014-01-08 18:07:15 content team, finances, communication, local team, trvel assistance 2014-01-08 18:07:30 finances = sponsoring 2014-01-08 18:07:34 thus .. nobody feels really responsible for the teams efforts :] 2014-01-08 18:07:51 let me find back list who committed 2014-01-08 18:07:58 http://houz.org/LGM/wiki/LGM2014:Teams 2014-01-08 18:08:06 thanks! 2014-01-08 18:08:27 well some of us do feel responsible ;-) 2014-01-08 18:09:22 (note: I have to leave at start time+60min) 2014-01-08 18:09:28 now thats the main problem of lgm 2014-01-08 18:10:08 nah; I think lack of communication is a bigger problem (amplified by lack of "heads") 2014-01-08 18:10:27 all like to help with discussions but not if it comes down to work 2014-01-08 18:11:53 ok so what work can we get done this upcoming hour and what can we get done until next meeting? 2014-01-08 18:12:28 a first step migth be to get some status updates from the different teams 2014-01-08 18:12:35 ok good idea 2014-01-08 18:13:00 5 mins per team max? 2014-01-08 18:13:27 max 2014-01-08 18:13:34 gnokii: for me, sending emails to the mailinglist is painful expenditure of energy I'd rather avoid 2014-01-08 18:13:41 * gnokii just makes a notice that he is doing 3 meetings right now 2014-01-08 18:14:01 pippin: agree 2014-01-08 18:14:15 ok, a-l-e is here for infrastructure 2014-01-08 18:14:40 did I got that right u mean the lgm list? 2014-01-08 18:15:13 * patdavid sits back to watch. 2014-01-08 18:15:20 following order on http://houz.org/LGM/wiki/LGM2014:Teams 2014-01-08 18:16:03 a-l-e ? 2014-01-08 18:16:10 gnokii: yes - I am not a native english speaker; and a diagnosed dyslectic - writing email takes me ~10x as long as for many native english speakers 2014-01-08 18:17:01 pippin, I can accept non native speakers, I am surly one who not always plays the grammar nazi ;) 2014-01-08 18:17:46 * F_S is always impressed with pippin mails 2014-01-08 18:17:47 gnokii: when I write email, I rewrite most things 5 or 6 times, IRC works better for me 2014-01-08 18:17:48 let's stay on subject. this isn't the time to blame each other but to make things better 2014-01-08 18:17:59 houz agree 2014-01-08 18:18:07 a-l-e: are you around? 2014-01-08 18:18:34 reminder: have a shouting session in Leipzig 2014-01-08 18:18:38 doesn't seem so. let's move on, infrastructure is working basically and he can give updates later if he shows up 2014-01-08 18:18:45 ok good 2014-01-08 18:18:46 o 2014-01-08 18:18:50 so communication 2014-01-08 18:18:56 agree, just stating that what constitutes "work" and "discussion" or contribution of energy (in whichever direction) isn't objective 2014-01-08 18:19:21 so basically you have been doing this on your own gnokii 2014-01-08 18:19:23 ? 2014-01-08 18:19:36 I have done what? 2014-01-08 18:19:39 i can chime in with comm. stuff if it helps 2014-01-08 18:19:45 communication, website stuff 2014-01-08 18:19:50 patdavid: that would be great 2014-01-08 18:19:59 gnokii has been directing me to write various posts on the website as needed 2014-01-08 18:20:11 no patdavid does it, and he does an amazing job I just say to him please write and he does it 2014-01-08 18:20:15 ah good thanks for that! 2014-01-08 18:20:26 i don't know about amazing, but i'm trying 2014-01-08 18:20:46 i have to make a slight transition to writing style to accomodate the fact that it's 'from' LGM, as opposed to personal posts 2014-01-08 18:20:52 happy to hear 2014-01-08 18:20:52 I am not a native speaker as well and I learned to speak russian at school not english ;) 2014-01-08 18:21:24 i feel like the information could be disseminated better through other networks/media, though 2014-01-08 18:21:42 so for communication, short term ... where can we make an effect/where do we need to push hardest 2014-01-08 18:21:46 i've posted announcements as GIMP on G+ for instance, and where I can in my own social circles 2014-01-08 18:21:52 me too 2014-01-08 18:22:03 patdavid: yes but lgm pages must be the source 2014-01-08 18:22:17 gnokii: yep, i always reference the LGM pages 2014-01-08 18:22:19 a lot of journalists want to see it on the pages 2014-01-08 18:22:27 on communication, I've heard rumors that some people even thought LGM might not happen this year - based on our discussion on the lgm list... that should be denounced 2014-01-08 18:22:28 i have many people excited about coming, entering proposals (counted 11 today) 2014-01-08 18:22:32 what i noticed when talking to random people from other projects that i asked if they intend to come is "lgm? what is that?". outside of the world of regulars it's quite unknown, so having more communication to the outside would be nice 2014-01-08 18:23:03 is there a plan for disseminating this to larger publishing venues? magazines? other big websites? 2014-01-08 18:23:20 pippin: i agree. it has not sent out good impressions so was thinking to do a positive message to create etc. soon 2014-01-08 18:23:42 I have submitted to all possible floss news pages that are common in Germany 2014-01-08 18:23:58 two of my live-coding friends (dave griffits and alex maclean) and have retweeted links to the call to their followers.. crossing fingers that either they or their followers submit something fun 2014-01-08 18:24:00 perhaps we can target nearby EU states as well? 2014-01-08 18:24:02 houz any idea how to shift that with current team? 2014-01-08 18:24:05 http://www.linux-magazin.de/NEWS/Libre-Graphics-Meeting-2014-Call-for-Participation-gestartet 2014-01-08 18:24:19 http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/20520/libre-graphics-meeting-2014-sucht-nach-beitraegen.html 2014-01-08 18:24:25 excellent 2014-01-08 18:24:30 http://www.linux-community.de/Internal/Nachrichten/Auf-der-Suche-nach-Beitraegen-und-Hilfe2 2014-01-08 18:24:33 more I cant do 2014-01-08 18:24:34 no one reads posts about events on news pages. we have to talk to the projects directly 2014-01-08 18:24:35 what about the blender folks, will they be present this year? 2014-01-08 18:25:00 yes 2014-01-08 18:25:05 and no 2014-01-08 18:25:13 meaning? 2014-01-08 18:25:15 their community is large, i can see about getting word out with them as well? 2014-01-08 18:25:23 patdavid: good 2014-01-08 18:25:29 ok 2014-01-08 18:25:30 http://houz.org/LGM/wiki/LGM2014:Projects <-- state of project approval as far as i know 2014-01-08 18:25:32 I spoke very public with them 2014-01-08 18:26:59 spoke briefly to ton roosendaal a few weeks ago; problem is that now they prefer organising their own events. in 2010 they linked their meeting to lgm (but was still separate event) now it seems interest for that is gone 2014-01-08 18:27:21 there was a clear no to participate as Blender Foundation Ton said, the Blender Conference is enough, but there will be submissions about Blender from some Blender ppl 2014-01-08 18:27:42 F_S: we have done then the same thing :D 2014-01-08 18:27:47 haha 2014-01-08 18:27:58 or ton said the same thing to both of us ;-) 2014-01-08 18:28:18 F_S: I did it more tricky 2014-01-08 18:28:20 but we have an interesting group here working on python for blender 2014-01-08 18:28:29 back in the days of yore - gimp and blender had their own conferences. lgm has more or less fully replaced gimpcons 2014-01-08 18:28:36 Frederik already submitted 2014-01-08 18:28:56 did magiclantern submit by now? 2014-01-08 18:29:00 nope 2014-01-08 18:29:01 or should i ping them again 2014-01-08 18:29:03 ok 2014-01-08 18:29:12 so i try to see if i can get them in/on our van from bxl to leipzig 2014-01-08 18:29:45 nice. want to add them to the list? 2014-01-08 18:30:21 do we have enough proposals in that it is interesting to publish a number on the website, well knowing that the majority of hacker-slackers will not submit until a couple of days before deadline? 2014-01-08 18:30:27 as it comes down to submissions I have one thing more 2014-01-08 18:31:30 gnokii: shoot 2014-01-08 18:32:03 I had a longer conversation today with HP and whats the status of GSoC students on LGM 2014-01-08 18:32:24 (HP == Hong Phuc) 2014-01-08 18:32:38 she said "You are organizer, u can provide them more time" 2014-01-08 18:33:00 provide more time? 2014-01-08 18:33:04 eh meaning making a special slot? 2014-01-08 18:33:05 yes 2014-01-08 18:33:13 GSoC/LGM are timed in such a way that only last years students are relevant 2014-01-08 18:33:24 or postponing deadline? 2014-01-08 18:33:40 wasn't the idea to bring them there for meeting? i didn't understand it as if they had to give talks 2014-01-08 18:33:45 in wroclaw GIMP brought along 2 students that would participate that year 2014-01-08 18:33:55 ok, that is useful 2014-01-08 18:34:02 pippin: schumaml made a statement to it 2014-01-08 18:34:08 so what is the issue with time? 2014-01-08 18:34:34 I pinged him 2 days ago, yesterday and today to solve his problem with as only GIMP and Inkscape are interested to do that 2014-01-08 18:35:01 gnokii: what is the problem that needs to be solved? 2014-01-08 18:35:18 for Inkscape I have the names from Tav so I can work on the problem to get them to LGM, but I fear to get there submissions in 7 days is to short 2014-01-08 18:35:44 I do not understand the importance of making the students speak 2014-01-08 18:35:45 what have the gsoc students to do with submissions? 2014-01-08 18:35:49 it is important to bring them there 2014-01-08 18:36:12 exactly. the idea was to meet them in real life. even if it's just with a beer in a pub 2014-01-08 18:36:19 (just like GIMP is trying to coerce new substantial contributors to turn up) 2014-01-08 18:36:23 pippin: well both speaking and bring them 2014-01-08 18:36:28 also i would be totally ok to reserve certain slots for GSoC students, and to sidetrack submissions 2014-01-08 18:37:04 if it is 2013 gsoc students, no special accomodation wrt call for content should be needed 2014-01-08 18:37:10 i don't think it would make very interesting talks. mostly "this is what i did in gsoc" 2014-01-08 18:37:16 it depends a bit on the amount and quality of submissions, how much we are pressured for fitting all in a short amounf of time 2014-01-08 18:37:17 2014 gsoc students?... wouldn't we need a time machine? 2014-01-08 18:37:40 submissions = overall proposals, not GSoC 2014-01-08 18:38:34 so, is there something about the gsoc folks that needs a decision? 2014-01-08 18:38:56 houz it can be lightning talk style? it can help to give them visibility 2014-01-08 18:38:58 so it would be possible to reserve some time for them and give more time? 2014-01-08 18:39:13 F_S yeah thats what HP said also 2014-01-08 18:39:15 i'd be ok. i think it is important they are there 2014-01-08 18:39:20 strongly encourage lightning talks, as well as prioritize them wrt travel reimbursements? 2014-01-08 18:39:32 and that the connection between GSoC and LGM is made clear 2014-01-08 18:39:42 i don't say they should be forbidden to give talks. i just don't even want to make them feel that they are supposed to give one. they are free, nothing more 2014-01-08 18:39:45 (to agenda: what is going on with 2013 reimbursements?) 2014-01-08 18:39:47 pippin: that is a different issue for me 2014-01-08 18:39:57 reimbursements i mean 2014-01-08 18:40:07 i got my money 2014-01-08 18:40:20 glad houz 2014-01-08 18:40:20 can I say something to gsoc and money? 2014-01-08 18:40:23 didn't google want to give some extra money for them? 2014-01-08 18:40:32 would make sense ... 2014-01-08 18:40:36 they do 2014-01-08 18:40:38 gnokii: yes! 2014-01-08 18:40:44 that pot of gold was the start of the idea about bringing them to lgm 2014-01-08 18:40:57 ok so than there is no problem 2014-01-08 18:41:02 as I found out for each mentor as students are 500$ reserved to do what we want to do 2014-01-08 18:41:08 if there is earmarked budget for them, go for it 2014-01-08 18:41:18 it was soemthign along the lines of "google has a budget for mentor/student meetings, let's ask them for something of that" 2014-01-08 18:41:30 but was it asked and confirmed? 2014-01-08 18:41:43 that I have to find out 2014-01-08 18:41:47 mario brought that tpoic up in madrid and said he wanted to ask them 2014-01-08 18:42:01 * a-l-e was @ dinner... 2014-01-08 18:42:06 wb a-l-e 2014-01-08 18:42:07 reading the log 2014-01-08 18:42:10 hey welcome back 2014-01-08 18:42:33 so, are we done with CFP? 2014-01-08 18:42:34 gnokii: can you try to find out about budget and we decide next week? 2014-01-08 18:42:44 I will do that 2014-01-08 18:42:45 only 20 minutes left until pippin needs to leave 2014-01-08 18:42:46 about budget for GSoC? 2014-01-08 18:42:54 deadline is agreed 2014-01-08 18:42:57 F_S: yes 2014-01-08 18:43:00 ok 2014-01-08 18:43:06 so spomsoring 2014-01-08 18:43:14 hah sponsoring 2014-01-08 18:43:23 its me :D 2014-01-08 18:43:27 so, while we are at sponsoring: what is the general fiscal state? 2014-01-08 18:43:30 apart from google. any news? 2014-01-08 18:43:48 houz you mean tax deduction or general? 2014-01-08 18:43:59 in general 2014-01-08 18:44:06 GUUG gives us 1000€, RH gives us 1000$, Shuttleworth Fnd gives us until yet 2000€ 2014-01-08 18:44:06 how much do we have 2014-01-08 18:44:28 did louis or nathan secure any money? 2014-01-08 18:44:33 and google 5000? 3000? (apart from GSoC?) 2014-01-08 18:44:38 good question 2014-01-08 18:45:05 F_S i dont know who spoke with google yet 2014-01-08 18:45:10 not me ;-) 2014-01-08 18:45:38 it is usually louis it seems 2014-01-08 18:45:49 F_S: do you know how much we spent for the last lgms? besides travel costs 2014-01-08 18:45:49 it has been louis so far 2014-01-08 18:45:53 can I do a generally note to that topic? 2014-01-08 18:46:28 houz can dig up overviews for lgms that i was co-organizing but they are not easy to compare 2014-01-08 18:46:57 much of the money in madrid came through EU and we had to be rather creative to use it for LGM 2014-01-08 18:46:59 houz: that costs are high influenced from the location 2014-01-08 18:47:16 gnokii: yes. height of costs but also kind of costs 2014-01-08 18:47:19 sure, but having a general overview would be nice 2014-01-08 18:47:22 +1 2014-01-08 18:47:32 ok, i can work on that as far as i know 2014-01-08 18:47:42 and we can try to fill the holes 2014-01-08 18:47:45 which brings me to the next point. could we maybe start with this year to have a transparent and open accounting? 2014-01-08 18:48:14 if a sponsor doesn't want to get named we can put XXX in there 2014-01-08 18:48:32 but it would be nice to be able to tell how much LGM owns and if there are troubles 2014-01-08 18:49:04 the long time until reimbursements got out started a lot of rumors about lgm not having the money and just paying once the donations for next year came in 2014-01-08 18:49:11 and another thing to add on that, dividing pots isnt also a good idea 2014-01-08 18:49:25 i don't care if that was true, but i would like to make sure such a situation doesn't happen again 2014-01-08 18:49:29 houz i agree. just know that lgm 2010 and 2013 were made possible by funding not passed through LGM account 2014-01-08 18:49:54 i don't know anything about past lgms 2014-01-08 18:50:11 2012 was made without money except account for reimboursement of travelling. 2014-01-08 18:50:14 i mean to say: you need to keep in mind 2014-01-08 18:50:22 and with all events a lot of stuff happens behind closed doors and by moving money creatively i guess 2014-01-08 18:50:50 gimp has bailed out lgm a couple of times to cover travel reimbursements as well 2014-01-08 18:50:58 in 2010 and 2013 a lot of travel reimbursements where done directly by Constant / Medialab Prado 2014-01-08 18:51:09 yeah but thats not the task for GIMP 2014-01-08 18:51:14 anyway, anything that we need to do urgently now / coming week? 2014-01-08 18:51:18 need and can? 2014-01-08 18:51:22 and schumaml as representative of a major sponsor asked for a more open accounting, too 2014-01-08 18:51:33 i am absolutely for that 2014-01-08 18:51:57 +1000 2014-01-08 18:52:06 great. i would like to have a discussion round (maybe in a smaller setting) in leipzig, at the start of the event, about these things 2014-01-08 18:52:18 more open accounting has been asked for, more open content selection has also been asked for - though the ones asking for that should join the ranks of NSA/GCHQ instead :p 2014-01-08 18:52:20 smaller as in "not the big lecture hall" 2014-01-08 18:52:25 at least for travel costs as we take there money from the community we should be more open 2014-01-08 18:52:33 but first issue is: who will find out about about the current state of things so we can feel confident about accepting submissions trusting there will be money for reimbursements 2014-01-08 18:53:08 or better: how can we find out 2014-01-08 18:53:09 until now the pledgie is still at 750USD 2014-01-08 18:53:53 * gnokii still waits for 2012 2014-01-08 18:54:36 who is in contact with louis about this? 2014-01-08 18:54:45 so i guess the idea of having pre-imbursements is off the table? 2014-01-08 18:54:47 he confirmed to work on sponsoring this year 2014-01-08 18:55:08 at least for practical reasons 2014-01-08 18:55:12 houz it means we need to double the effort on fundraising one year 2014-01-08 18:55:33 F_S: it looks he did at least some work as the communication for taticas/gustavs reimbursement shows 2014-01-08 18:55:41 not really, the money collected before doesn't need to be collected afterwards 2014-01-08 18:56:11 so, the conclusion of the sponsoring team seems to be that we need to get input from louis and nathan 2014-01-08 18:56:22 and ask google 2014-01-08 18:56:30 i should not be getting into this ;-) but i am supporting all proposals to make it happen 2014-01-08 18:56:38 houz yes 2014-01-08 18:56:42 * pippin vanishes in 3min; next expected step for me is expecting a .csv / spreadsheet to consider in a few ways for some days - about a day after next weeks meeting 2014-01-08 18:57:00 pippin: csv with what content? 2014-01-08 18:57:08 all proposals 2014-01-08 18:57:12 ah, ok 2014-01-08 18:57:44 does someone have clear thoughts on the selection process? 2014-01-08 18:58:12 (what we did last year; was independent ranking of such a spreadsheet by the members of the content team; then merging in a google spreadsheet and reaching consensus) 2014-01-08 18:58:15 and who will be in the team? alexandre has a ? and some local team representative was supposed to be added IIRC 2014-01-08 18:58:19 just to note that, rooms are open from 9-20 2014-01-08 18:58:41 could we please not take as long in the evenigns as in madrid? 2014-01-08 18:58:51 ok, gnokii what is really important is to get a sense of how many proposals can be selected 2014-01-08 18:58:58 this is germany and a month earlier, people might like to see daylight eventually 2014-01-08 18:59:05 ;-) 2014-01-08 18:59:08 i think that we should know how many rooms and when we can place slots. 2014-01-08 18:59:27 * pippin will be back to read log later 2014-01-08 18:59:36 later pippin 2014-01-08 18:59:44 a-l-e: so take a look into last meeting logs and you will find out how many rooms are there 2014-01-08 18:59:51 pippin: i will put it on http://houz.org/LGM/2014/ too 2014-01-08 18:59:51 i guess that the first slot can start at 9:30, then. 2014-01-08 19:00:17 a-l-e: that probably also depends on the number of talks submitted/accepted 2014-01-08 19:00:24 let's wait for these numbers 2014-01-08 19:00:47 number of accepted can depend on the available slots. 2014-01-08 19:00:55 sure, but not only 2014-01-08 19:01:02 for selection team 2014-01-08 19:01:07 quality before quantity 2014-01-08 19:01:11 * plinnell (~mrdocs@opensuse/member/mrdocs) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-08 19:01:13 a-l-e: anything but cofee/snacks before 10am is inhumane to the speakers that will get almost no audience :] 2014-01-08 19:01:15 yes, who is in that team? 2014-01-08 19:01:20 point is right now we have not many talks, we have a lot workshops 2014-01-08 19:01:29 ok, starting at 10 might be fine. 2014-01-08 19:01:36 gnokii: we know nothing until after deadline 2014-01-08 19:01:40 i would be fine with a workshop oriented lgm :) 2014-01-08 19:01:42 *really gone* 2014-01-08 19:01:47 me to 2014-01-08 19:01:55 houz i think that could be the case actually, and nice 2014-01-08 19:02:11 (is my impression of what people are cooking up incl. me ;-)) 2014-01-08 19:02:22 i have the tendency to lose interest in most talks quickly and start chatting and hacking 2014-01-08 19:02:23 anyhow, for the selection team 2014-01-08 19:02:26 i think that would please the scribus folks too 2014-01-08 19:02:29 but that's my personal problem 2014-01-08 19:02:36 hello plinnell 2014-01-08 19:02:40 hi 2014-01-08 19:02:44 hi F_S 2014-01-08 19:02:55 so eh 2014-01-08 19:03:03 i asked for a local team member for the selection team, someone not LGM 2014-01-08 19:03:04 F_S: im planning to go, provided im not committed for a work event 2014-01-08 19:03:12 great! 2014-01-08 19:03:17 very good news 2014-01-08 19:03:20 Jon, Øyvind, Femke, Aleksandre?, Ale <-- madrid setting for the content team 2014-01-08 19:03:39 is alexandre in? 2014-01-08 19:03:46 good question 2014-01-08 19:04:27 * kasimir-leipzig (~me@wlan251098.rz.uni-leipzig.de) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-08 19:04:33 he's not reacting on a ping 2014-01-08 19:04:38 he never confirmed himself. his status as team-glue has deserved him an open invitation ;-) 2014-01-08 19:04:42 kasimir-leipzig: hi 2014-01-08 19:04:43 he kasimir-leipzig 2014-01-08 19:04:47 hi 2014-01-08 19:05:28 he answered 2014-01-08 19:05:35 should say who kasimir-leipzig is, he is my direct contact to the university leipzig and he organized all the rooms 2014-01-08 19:05:42 cool 2014-01-08 19:05:52 ah hello kasimir-leipzig and thank you already! 2014-01-08 19:05:57 kasimir-leipzig: do you know the rz policy about using their network? 2014-01-08 19:06:01 you're welcome:) 2014-01-08 19:06:10 mostly about open ports 2014-01-08 19:06:14 * prokoudine__ (~prokoudin@ppp83-237-254-248.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) hat #LGM2014 betreten 2014-01-08 19:06:16 houz: yes as that is published on university pages 2014-01-08 19:06:18 hi prokoudine__ 2014-01-08 19:06:20 lo 2014-01-08 19:06:26 so who from the local team will be joining the selection? 2014-01-08 19:06:37 ah speak of the devil hello prokoudine__ 2014-01-08 19:06:39 gnokii: the published things mostly forbid everythign in most universities 2014-01-08 19:07:05 prokoudine__: we are discussing the people in the selection team. and you are part of the list, at least with a ? 2014-01-08 19:07:23 i didn't realize there was a meeting today :) 2014-01-08 19:07:33 houz: there is an regulation for events, it says tell us what ports u want to be open and how many attendees u will have and which rooms u using so that rz can look at the wireless there 2014-01-08 19:07:37 every wednesday from now on :-) 2014-01-08 19:07:42 Usually the wi-fi access for conferences allows only the following ports: http(s) pop3(s) imap(s) vpn ssh 2014-01-08 19:07:57 secret cabal 2014-01-08 19:08:02 so we have to add ftp 2014-01-08 19:08:11 people will want ports for got, svn, mercurial, and bzr 2014-01-08 19:08:13 The Wi-fi is available in all rooms with one password 2014-01-08 19:08:14 git 2014-01-08 19:08:19 and git 2014-01-08 19:08:23 ^^^ 2014-01-08 19:08:33 prokoudine__: next week we'll select submissions - will you join? 2014-01-08 19:08:35 and IRC 2014-01-08 19:08:37 yes 2014-01-08 19:08:41 Alright, I'm going to ask the admins for these ports. I think it will be possible 2014-01-08 19:09:01 how flexible are they to open more ports on short notice? 2014-01-08 19:09:16 i remember the folks from vienna, they did it within minutes :) 2014-01-08 19:09:26 meaning 'yes i will be selecting too' (sorry not sure if you respond to networking q now) 2014-01-08 19:09:28 oh, jabber would be handy, too 2014-01-08 19:09:56 From montay to friday they respond very fast, so I think it won't take long.. 2014-01-08 19:10:04 cool 2014-01-08 19:10:55 prokoudine__: can i remove the "?"? 2014-01-08 19:11:05 or, may i ... 2014-01-08 19:11:16 houz: but in vienna it was Jimmy and he was there as he is highly interested in Inkscape ;) 2014-01-08 19:11:28 important that someone from local team / Leipzig joins discussion for selection. 2014-01-08 19:11:51 F_S did u write the HGB? 2014-01-08 19:11:53 houz, the what? 2014-01-08 19:12:06 the questionmark behind your name on the list of selection people 2014-01-08 19:12:11 sure 2014-01-08 19:12:17 done 2014-01-08 19:12:22 who? gnokii are you up for some diplomacy ;-) 2014-01-08 19:12:29 F_S: Well, I've less time, maybe Martin (is he here?) wants to do it for the local team. 2014-01-08 19:12:44 gnokii: yes and not yet. am in contact via Christoph Haag with System Design department 2014-01-08 19:12:48 * prokoudine__ ist jetzt bekannt als prokoudine 2014-01-08 19:13:14 kasimir-leipzig: maybe you can ask around and tell us until next wednesday? 2014-01-08 19:13:15 F_S: the problem is if u want somebody local u can ask kasimir-leipzig 2014-01-08 19:13:42 houz: Alright, I will ask him 2014-01-08 19:14:02 thanks 2014-01-08 19:14:15 poor Martin :D 2014-01-08 19:14:25 otherwise gnokii has to do it 2014-01-08 19:14:46 * gnokii does everything except being diplomatic 2014-01-08 19:15:07 * houz noticed ;) 2014-01-08 19:15:34 since mario is not here the point "travelassistance" can be skipped i guess? 2014-01-08 19:15:50 did anyone mention a need for a visa yet? 2014-01-08 19:15:58 yes one 2014-01-08 19:16:14 or two 2014-01-08 19:16:16 did he/she contact mario? 2014-01-08 19:16:27 since that is explicitly his job 2014-01-08 19:17:06 well one will be Konstantin, which I told yesterday to simply submit without any message on the question he had with the travel costs 2014-01-08 19:17:29 i guess he didn't get an answer because no one knows 2014-01-08 19:17:29 and the other one is Gustav but his travel depends on the reimbursement of 2013 2014-01-08 19:17:53 gnokii: did gustav get his money? 2014-01-08 19:17:56 ok, nothing we can do about right now 2014-01-08 19:18:19 he gets it via tatica 2014-01-08 19:18:27 whom i pinged but didn't get an answer 2014-01-08 19:18:43 when the meeting started 2014-01-08 19:18:49 F_S that is complicated, as the reimbursement goes to tatica and from both reimbursments we are after all money which was borrowed is paid back can be paid one ticket that of Gustav 2014-01-08 19:18:50 on the infrasctructure side: plinnell, would it be possible to have an info@lgm email address? 2014-01-08 19:19:12 a-l-e: im adding it to my todo list 2014-01-08 19:19:17 should not be difficult 2014-01-08 19:19:24 who will receive that? 2014-01-08 19:19:28 just to the list? 2014-01-08 19:19:34 or specific persons? 2014-01-08 19:19:48 ok don't really understand all of that gnokii - louis has paid reimbursements as far as asked for 2014-01-08 19:19:52 that would be the next question... if it is possible to create, we should decide to whom it goes. 2014-01-08 19:19:52 +1 to ale request 2014-01-08 19:20:18 should go to two people maybe? 2014-01-08 19:20:21 F_S well tatica plays wife and doesnt answer to questions so I dont know the status 2014-01-08 19:20:26 forwarding to the lgm list could be one way to do it. 2014-01-08 19:20:49 F_S: thing is, i and others borrowed quite some money to tatica and gustav. and that gets paid back from the reimbursement. and only the rest can be used by gustav to pay for next year's ticket 2014-01-08 19:21:54 anyway, next to infrastructure 2014-01-08 19:22:03 afaics it's all up and running 2014-01-08 19:22:22 just the thing with the people able to peek into the submissions list is open 2014-01-08 19:22:23 sorry i am trying not to get too much involved in this -- all i know is that late/insecure reimbursements create this kind of chaos that is to be avoided at all costs. just wished how to shift it 2014-01-08 19:23:03 a-l-e: can you (based on the wp-templates you made for 2013) do something to show some kind of "stats" 2014-01-08 19:23:04 F_S: ack. i didn't even feel comfortable to mention reimbursements when inviting other projects to lgm 2014-01-08 19:23:05 plinnell: so, it will probably just be a forward to one or multiple addresses. 2014-01-08 19:23:29 a-l-e: just mail me the details and i will get it done in the next 24 hours... traveling today 2014-01-08 19:23:32 F_S: i can do (almost) any stats on the entries for the forms. 2014-01-08 19:23:36 houz i am with you on this. i can't sleep if i think about it but don't know how to solve it 2014-01-08 19:23:57 i migth have some old socks in my drawer, so we could rob a bank ... 2014-01-08 19:23:58 a-l-e: some fun things would be nice, jus to get a sense something is happening 2014-01-08 19:24:06 damn, i shouldn't have said that on record 2014-01-08 19:24:14 haha 2014-01-08 19:24:54 so, do we agree that the actual list should stay closed and only the finally selected proposals get revealed? 2014-01-08 19:24:55 ok a-l-e it is just for this week so what about some live stats 2014-01-08 19:24:59 as pippin asked for 2014-01-08 19:25:11 +1 2014-01-08 19:25:37 personally, i'm for giving acces to the entries to the content team + anybody in the organisation who asks for. 2014-01-08 19:26:02 point is as Louis stated LGM is for meet ppl not listen talks 2014-01-08 19:26:03 pippin suggested only access by content team 2014-01-08 19:26:26 thing is there isn't a set organizers group. many people on that list never did anything (or at least didn't report back about it) while others are not on the list 2014-01-08 19:26:40 +1 2014-01-08 19:26:52 people who are on the list and who ask for are probably caring for the lgm. 2014-01-08 19:26:55 it's enough for me. 2014-01-08 19:27:10 so we can't agree 2014-01-08 19:27:18 but that's only *my* opinion. 2014-01-08 19:27:35 i am not so worried about things leaking but thing is that reimbursement requests are in same wordpress and so could mean that admin access might create issues? 2014-01-08 19:27:38 +1 for just content team 2014-01-08 19:27:48 F_S +++ 2014-01-08 19:28:21 that's exact the point access to it means to all formulars 2014-01-08 19:28:27 not only submissions 2014-01-08 19:28:39 i can only give access to all or no forms. 2014-01-08 19:28:52 so again, i prefer to think about a system where also reimbursement is transparent 2014-01-08 19:28:57 can be transparent 2014-01-08 19:29:03 but i don't think that we ever had issues with information leaking. 2014-01-08 19:29:20 but currently it is super messy 2014-01-08 19:29:42 ah, and if you want my opinion, reimbursement must be solved. 2014-01-08 19:29:42 then maybe set up some rules/ideas for next year and keep it closed for one more week 2014-01-08 19:29:53 houz: i agree 2014-01-08 19:29:57 ++ 2014-01-08 19:30:03 but that's a separate issue than the access to the forms. 2014-01-08 19:30:22 to me, if reimbursement is cleared up, the problem goes away 2014-01-08 19:30:38 about reimbursement, as i said in one of the last irc meetings, i am happy to help with that, provided it's just the workload that delays them. if it's a lack of money there isn't much i could do 2014-01-08 19:30:54 houz your help would be very much appreciated 2014-01-08 19:31:08 the problem is, that it's not clear what is delaying it. 2014-01-08 19:31:08 but that's one of the questions i asked earlier, how much money do we have 2014-01-08 19:31:25 what is most likely, it's paperwork that has been done locally. 2014-01-08 19:31:42 i agree that there isn't much we can do about that right now, probably not even before a real life meeting in leipzig 2014-01-08 19:32:06 i am not sure what paperwork needs to be done to send some money around, but well 2014-01-08 19:32:14 based on the past experience, it will also be hard to solve with a real life meeting in leipzig. 2014-01-08 19:32:15 but it would be really good if you can prepare a separate, private meeting with louis 2014-01-08 19:32:21 houz i mean 2014-01-08 19:32:39 to see what the issue is, so it is not about blame 2014-01-08 19:32:49 i know that he was offered help from another side in the last weeks and declined 2014-01-08 19:32:58 the bank and the taxes want to see paperwork. 2014-01-08 19:33:20 ok, let's quickly finish the team list and then i would like to come back to this topic 2014-01-08 19:33:22 but that is normal 2014-01-08 19:33:32 last point is lgm2015 2014-01-08 19:33:41 ur last point 2014-01-08 19:33:42 ok - i will need to leave in 15 mins 2014-01-08 19:34:02 (so F_S, if you have ideas for funny activity signals, just mail me / the lgm list) 2014-01-08 19:34:03 gnokii: last point of the team list 2014-01-08 19:34:29 has there been any location proposal yet? 2014-01-08 19:34:54 so far nobody cried about what I did for 2015, question is havent they seen it or does they not care ;) 2014-01-08 19:34:54 wondering: does that need to be the same 15/1 deadline? 2014-01-08 19:35:14 i wound't think so 2014-01-08 19:35:17 F_S that was one of my question but I didnt mention any deadline ;) 2014-01-08 19:35:20 there is nothing to decide in advance 2014-01-08 19:35:45 it should just be handed in early enough for us to ask back 2014-01-08 19:36:04 apologies gnokii 2014-01-08 19:36:07 yes 2014-01-08 19:36:35 so do we want set a deadline to it? 2014-01-08 19:36:48 so 15 february? or just before meeting starts> 2014-01-08 19:37:06 15. march? 2014-01-08 19:37:07 can be mid march 2014-01-08 19:37:12 half a month till the meeting 2014-01-08 19:37:15 yes ouy are right 2014-01-08 19:37:51 one thing more 2014-01-08 19:37:57 ok 15 march agreed? 2014-01-08 19:38:02 +1 2014-01-08 19:38:03 and announce that prominently on the relevant lists. i guess people eager to host lgm are on one of our lists 2014-01-08 19:38:08 +1 2014-01-08 19:38:21 yes. 2014-01-08 19:38:33 fine 2014-01-08 19:38:40 it is a good way to call attention to new style long term libre graphics meeting 2014-01-08 19:38:46 proposals have to be submitted this way, no sneak in for Montreal 2014-01-08 19:38:56 meaning: we are not going adhoc this time 2014-01-08 19:39:00 oh, and please as a new mail, not a reply deep in some thread 2014-01-08 19:39:10 yeah 2014-01-08 19:39:19 i had to look for the cfp a while 2014-01-08 19:41:04 so, my last point for tonight which brings us back to the monetary stuff 2014-01-08 19:41:29 on lgm the darktable project will most likely found some kind of legal organization 2014-01-08 19:41:44 to be able to collect donations 2014-01-08 19:41:53 currently we tell everyone "give it to lgm" 2014-01-08 19:42:11 this migth be a good idea to bring back the discussion about a lgf 2014-01-08 19:42:19 (libre graphics foundation) 2014-01-08 19:42:25 oh noez 2014-01-08 19:42:27 :) 2014-01-08 19:42:33 we don't have to discuss this today 2014-01-08 19:42:34 prokoudine: haha 2014-01-08 19:42:41 personally, i'm not sure that a discussion at the lgm will bring us much... 2014-01-08 19:42:45 i just want to bring the topic up so you can think about it 2014-01-08 19:42:55 houz, i was looking for "never" :) 2014-01-08 19:42:58 ... except if somebody comes up with a clear proposal as a basis of discussion. 2014-01-08 19:43:28 well 7 ppl meet and its done 2014-01-08 19:43:32 is this a good time for odd questions about lgm? 2014-01-08 19:43:40 a-l-e: agree 2014-01-08 19:43:45 i only know that there were ideas in the past. no idea how much work had been put into these 2014-01-08 19:44:37 there was work done, a few times but noone has been able to commit plus come up with enough energy to push it through 2014-01-08 19:44:56 it just might be nice to have some legal body that can handle money and get sued if anything doesn't work out 2014-01-08 19:45:03 to me just bringing an alternative way to manage the money would already be a very welcome improvement. 2014-01-08 19:45:13 a-l-e: agree 2014-01-08 19:45:31 i think reimbursements is lgm achilles heel and this is priority 2014-01-08 19:45:39 ++ 2014-01-08 19:45:40 the current solution does not seem to work. but we don't have an alternative. 2014-01-08 19:45:43 so gnokii, you had another point? 2014-01-08 19:45:48 two 2014-01-08 19:46:05 one point is an half program related 2014-01-08 19:46:09 ok go 2014-01-08 19:46:16 so, if somebody can come up with an alternative, we will have a good point to start a discussion. 2014-01-08 19:46:58 well as I told we could have the chance to screen print our own shirts on LGM if we want, but that brings some problems. Most problem is the time 2014-01-08 19:47:28 ok 2014-01-08 19:47:47 so what could be done? do you need people to help print shirts? and when? 2014-01-08 19:47:55 Sebastian, who would do it with us, would submit an workshop how screen printing at home can be done, but he doesnt like to print more then 200 shirts 2014-01-08 19:48:20 do you think you need many more? 2014-01-08 19:48:37 so we would have to have the setup in a corner runnign the whole event 2014-01-08 19:48:43 fun 2014-01-08 19:48:45 F_S well problem is what does 450 participants mean 2014-01-08 19:48:58 hey won't buy a t-shirt each 2014-01-08 19:49:01 they 2014-01-08 19:49:09 houz: that was my idea, and I hope Sebastian can accept this 2014-01-08 19:49:29 how many shirts did we sell last years? and how was the relation people there / number of shirts sold? 2014-01-08 19:49:33 anyway ... or to have a workshop for first two days 2014-01-08 19:49:54 i can ask - was another org, but more like 75 2014-01-08 19:50:14 a-l-e: how many in vienna? you remember? 2014-01-08 19:50:15 that sounds feasible 2014-01-08 19:50:24 well if it was only that few that would be no problem, but at one point I have to buy the shirts 2014-01-08 19:50:39 no idea about vienna, but they were not that many... 2014-01-08 19:50:43 for not more than 100. 2014-01-08 19:50:54 for sure not more than 100. 2014-01-08 19:50:56 aprons we had 250 i think but we gave one away to each volunteer 2014-01-08 19:51:02 but i would not take it as a reference. 2014-01-08 19:51:10 in 2010, with 300 participants 2014-01-08 19:51:17 F_S that was my idea to but buying printed ones is more expensive 2014-01-08 19:51:34 ok sounds you know what you are doing ;-) 2014-01-08 19:51:46 * houz didn't get an apron, they were sold out :( 2014-01-08 19:51:51 ohhh 2014-01-08 19:52:09 so 200 would be enough? 2014-01-08 19:52:13 yes 2014-01-08 19:52:13 yes 2014-01-08 19:52:16 ok 2014-01-08 19:52:18 confirmed 2014-01-08 19:52:26 so second point 2014-01-08 19:52:30 pink 2014-01-08 19:52:31 last!! 2014-01-08 19:52:38 houz pink apron? 2014-01-08 19:52:40 ;-) 2014-01-08 19:52:44 we could have a t-shirt list... so that people having registered in advance can be sure to have t-shirt... 2014-01-08 19:52:48 i thought the 2nd question was about shirt colors :) 2014-01-08 19:52:54 haha 2014-01-08 19:53:02 ... and casual visitors can buy one if there are any left. 2014-01-08 19:53:07 a-l-e: +1 2014-01-08 19:53:21 I wrote Gottfried to submit Blender talks, so Gottfried will do that but he did with me some Open Movie Nights in Nuremberg and want to do that for LGM this year 2014-01-08 19:53:39 ok nice so a nighttime event? 2014-01-08 19:53:51 the status about that is that he searches for the place right now 2014-01-08 19:54:00 in Leipzig, not Nuremberg i'd hope ;-) 2014-01-08 19:54:04 ok good news 2014-01-08 19:54:11 kasimir-leipzig: are u connected to the university cinema ? 2014-01-08 19:54:22 University cinema... I'm not sure if that exists at all 2014-01-08 19:54:24 F_S: in Leipzig of course 2014-01-08 19:54:33 kasimir-leipzig: there exists one 2014-01-08 19:54:46 or just make "I want T-Shirt" part of registration 2014-01-08 19:54:50 so in generally is there interest in? 2014-01-08 19:54:51 cinema as in "watching movies"? 2014-01-08 19:54:58 prokoudine: too late, registration is already open 2014-01-08 19:55:01 kasimir-leipzig: yes 2014-01-08 19:55:06 ok, i am off ... 2014-01-08 19:55:10 i'll try to dig up figures for reimbursement before next week wednesday meeting, think with ale on showing submissions without disclosing, get my network to submit proposals, work on connection to Hochschule für Grafik und Buchkunst. 2014-01-08 19:55:11 F_S: bye 2014-01-08 19:55:30 houz, so? email those who already registered 2014-01-08 19:55:30 F_S yeah bye have a nice evening 2014-01-08 19:55:36 will need to skip next week but will update before wed 15 18:00 2014-01-08 19:55:46 gnokii: If you send me a link, I can get a connection to it :) 2014-01-08 19:55:48 thanks for constructive meet. 2014-01-08 19:55:51 prokoudine: doesnt hurt me with 200 2014-01-08 19:55:57 * F_S (~fs@77.109.117.114.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) hat #LGM2014 verlassen 2014-01-08 19:56:02 kasimir-leipzig: ok, then we are on track 2014-01-08 19:56:24 * houz couldn't find anything about a university cinema in L 2014-01-08 19:56:44 houz: u will not find the one in Chemnitz to 2014-01-08 19:57:36 if it's not on the web it doesn't exist :) 2014-01-08 19:57:40 :D 2014-01-08 19:58:14 well kasimir-leipzig lets work the next days on that 2014-01-08 19:58:18 alright 2014-01-08 19:58:28 gnokii, kasimir-leipzig: can you get in touch with that cinema until next week's meeting? 2014-01-08 19:58:29 so then everything from me 2014-01-08 19:58:56 houz: thats really a short term 2014-01-08 19:59:08 there are 4 parties involved 2014-01-08 19:59:27 at least do your side, i.e. write them a mail or something. if they react in time: fine, if not: not your fault 2014-01-08 19:59:57 what parties? 2014-01-08 20:00:16 kasimir-leipzig: me, Gottfried and the cinema ;) 2014-01-08 20:01:29 well, gottfried already said that he wants to do it, you want to do it, too. and you can talk to kasimir-leipzig now 2014-01-08 20:01:50 so it's the cinema that has to be asked if they still exist, are free and willing to host us 2014-01-08 20:01:59 but first I have to ask him if he found already a place ;) 2014-01-08 20:02:09 sure 2014-01-08 20:02:17 If you provide me any information to find the cinema (I've never heard about it), then it won't take long to get in contact 2014-01-08 20:02:44 kasimir-leipzig: I will do, I just did a short research as Gottfried told me 2014-01-08 20:03:02 gnokii: great! 2014-01-08 20:03:48 ok everythin fine now? 2014-01-08 20:03:57 yes 2014-01-08 20:04:13 so, any more topics for the meeting? 2014-01-08 20:04:43 ... http://www.unikino-leipzig.de ... 2014-01-08 20:04:56 a-l-e: no, that's another institution 2014-01-08 20:05:00 ... is on hold... 2014-01-08 20:05:30 a-l-e: wrong thats the company who makes cinema on universities 2014-01-08 20:06:16 ah, one more question from me towards the leipzig team: are there plans to do some events before/after lgm? like the museum visits done before? 2014-01-08 20:06:17 Maybe there is a group called university cinema, but afaik there is no dedicated room. they have shown the movies in a lecture hall, but these lecture halls are usually closing at 6 pm in the holidays.. 2014-01-08 20:06:48 houz: That's mainly martins part... 2014-01-08 20:07:09 ... so I can't say anything about that right now 2014-01-08 20:07:13 ok 2014-01-08 20:07:40 maybe we should fly him in next week. one free internet for that man 2014-01-08 20:08:04 if he organizes soemthing nice he gets rewarded with a place in the talk selection commitee 2014-01-08 20:08:11 houz: have spoken with Martin about such things 2014-01-08 20:08:50 -v 2014-01-08 20:09:19 the problem for Martin right now is he did sit in a train from work to home as meeting started 2014-01-08 20:09:42 no problem 2014-01-08 20:09:50 i am just curious 2014-01-08 20:10:04 there are some plans like the Panometer ;) 2014-01-08 20:10:48 that's cool 2014-01-08 20:11:02 let's do the movie night in there ^^ 2014-01-08 20:11:11 ok, so we are finished then I can make a phone call 2014-01-08 20:11:21 ok