**** BEGINNE LOGBUCH UM Sat Oct 26 18:08:43 2013 2013-10-26 18:08:43 * Du sprichst jetzt in #LGM2014 2013-10-26 18:09:27 hmh bit silly to do separate room -- i think we did #lgm2013 last year for deciding on proposals 2013-10-26 18:09:29 I'm doing this meeting from a (moving) bus 2013-10-26 18:09:40 bound to get motion sickness 2013-10-26 18:09:55 jonnor i'd be sick like a dog in 1 minute 2013-10-26 18:10:56 from people that proposed to work on content for 2014 only ale missing? 2013-10-26 18:12:06 think so 2013-10-26 18:12:11 assuming that pippin is alive 2013-10-26 18:12:26 ;-) 2013-10-26 18:13:58 he will be filled with brazilian meat portions :D 2013-10-26 18:15:34 gnokii: how are preparations going? anything special to take into account for this year's programme? 2013-10-26 18:16:24 well the big room is absolutely fixed now we have Felix-Klein Hörsaal, which is in the Paulineum in the 5th floor, 6th for Americans 2013-10-26 18:16:41 http://www.bioinf.uni-leipzig.de/conference-registration/12symposium/de/Veranstaltungsort.html 2013-10-26 18:16:50 thats behind the rounded window 2013-10-26 18:17:06 how many people does it fit, approx? 2013-10-26 18:17:30 jonnor 250 2013-10-26 18:17:58 lgm goes to church :-D 2013-10-26 18:18:01 the other rooms there are still discussions about the opening times 2013-10-26 18:18:18 gnokii, ok. Should be a good size 2013-10-26 18:18:23 F_S thats right was a church once before the communists demolished it 2013-10-26 18:19:28 re: formats can you give an idea of the kind/amount of other spaces you are negotiating? 2013-10-26 18:20:23 we negotioating right now on two fronts space, one is the seminar rooms which are given from the university, they are behind that building 2013-10-26 18:20:42 its the blue building on this little map 2013-10-26 18:20:54 ok! 2013-10-26 18:21:12 second front is we talk with the faculty of economics who has rooms directly next to paulineum 2013-10-26 18:21:22 thats the orange one 2013-10-26 18:21:37 room size there is always 30 ppl 2013-10-26 18:21:56 but multiple rooms i assume? 2013-10-26 18:22:11 yes, I requested 5 yet 2013-10-26 18:22:34 are the rooms auditorium style or flat? can tables+chairs be rearranged? 2013-10-26 18:22:46 so 5 workshops, bofs in parallel max 2013-10-26 18:22:48 3 for program, 2 for organizatiol purpos, if u want mre say it now 2013-10-26 18:23:00 (which is good!) 2013-10-26 18:23:10 jonnor: there are table and chairs 2013-10-26 18:23:20 F_S not 5 2013-10-26 18:23:22 3 2013-10-26 18:23:28 yes, got it 2013-10-26 18:23:56 3x30 ppl would be too little for having program sections with only workshops 2013-10-26 18:23:58 but if you want 2 more as I still have conversations 2013-10-26 18:24:17 unless using big room also for the purpose. Don't know if it is suitable? 2013-10-26 18:24:43 jonnor: u know germans give u always the numbers after law a room for 30 fits for way more ppl ;) 2013-10-26 18:25:08 does it have more chairs, too? 2013-10-26 18:25:30 houz: is has at least chairs from 1 of the 5 more ;) 2013-10-26 18:26:34 gnokii, of course. But we cant plan on fitting 3x the official capacity either ;) 2013-10-26 18:26:49 we don't want it to feel like a bus in Brazil 2013-10-26 18:27:31 jonnor: u choosed the bus! I always wanted to take the bus in brazil but Izabel doesnt allow it 2013-10-26 18:27:53 gnokii, what about informal spaces? canteen, hallways, entries etc? anything worth mentioning 2013-10-26 18:28:05 workshops have become as important as talks, it seems? 2013-10-26 18:28:34 the canteen is arround the corner but one of the rooms will be a recreatinal area, we plan to server food and drinks flatrate there like on ubucon 2013-10-26 18:29:16 F_S yes more important, so I would skip the rule doing none during talks, u cant force the ppl to be in the talks this way 2013-10-26 18:29:50 gnokii, re: recreational area, sounds good 2013-10-26 18:30:08 some people want to attend talks and workshops though 2013-10-26 18:30:35 good to have lgm-canteen 2013-10-26 18:30:49 jonnor: its flatrate, on ubucon its 10€ but LGM will be more think 20€ for all the days 2013-10-26 18:32:00 gnokii, how many days will it be again? 3? 2013-10-26 18:32:28 jonnor: 4 2nd to 5th 2013-10-26 18:32:41 right. I have it in the calendar 2013-10-26 18:32:42 5€ per day sounds fair 2013-10-26 18:33:18 any other thoughts on formats? length of talks? this important for the call 2013-10-26 18:33:58 btw before I forget, can u add to registration food things, like garrett cant eat all, also there are vegetarians, muslims and all that, so that Martin can calculate better for them? 2013-10-26 18:33:58 I'm with pippin, I liked the shorter format of "long talks" that we had this year 2013-10-26 18:34:28 * houz prefers longer talks 2013-10-26 18:34:42 at least for the technical ones 2013-10-26 18:35:04 well, easy solution mix it 2013-10-26 18:35:35 houz, what do you consider a suitable size for tech. talks? 2013-10-26 18:36:09 i liked the 20min talks and would have liked more workshops, both tech and art 2013-10-26 18:36:45 well, i personally have no problems listening to a talk that lasts 2 hours, i have been doing that from 9-4 today, but i am not the benchmark here 2013-10-26 18:36:56 F_S but houz has right for technical to short 2013-10-26 18:37:22 it's just that the length we had this year is nice for the social talks, but if you really want to get into the gory details of code or libraries, then it's too short 2013-10-26 18:37:51 how long have talks been this year again? 20mins? 2013-10-26 18:37:58 yes, that is why i suggest that those should be dedicated workshops 2013-10-26 18:38:03 not frontal talks 2013-10-26 18:38:16 houz, can one actually teach anyone a library or explain code in details, in a presentation? 2013-10-26 18:38:17 houz: 20mins and shorter 2013-10-26 18:38:54 jonnor: not teach but telling whats new with it 2013-10-26 18:39:25 I plan to do a very technical talk (performance in MyPaint), and I think 20 mins will be suitalble - because I will also invite to a hands-on workshop for those who are actually interested in taking the concepts presented anywhere 2013-10-26 18:39:25 what about 20 minute slots by default, and allow speakers to mark their talk as "takes longer" and assign them a double slot? 2013-10-26 18:39:35 that way you keep the 20 minutes spacing 2013-10-26 18:40:15 if no one requests the long slot then it's ok, and if anyone thinks he needs it, then he/she can have it 2013-10-26 18:40:44 * houz has seen very nice technical talks at CCC which took longer than 20 minutes 2013-10-26 18:41:19 I'd be fine with that. The people presenting should have some freedom to chose format they find appropriate 2013-10-26 18:41:37 +1 2013-10-26 18:42:11 ok. think extending workshop space can help too 2013-10-26 18:42:34 +1 2013-10-26 18:43:07 workshops are great. i wished the font we started in brussels got done in the end ... 2013-10-26 18:44:21 F_S, do you think the 3x30 spaces will be enough? or should we reserve more? 2013-10-26 18:44:40 definitely more 2013-10-26 18:44:40 probably easier to not use them than to come late and request more 2013-10-26 18:45:14 you want some rooms for (informal) meetings and bofs i guess, too 2013-10-26 18:45:20 jonnor: I would request one more that would be mean paralell 4 workshops thats a lot of program 2013-10-26 18:45:31 houz: yes. 2013-10-26 18:45:36 gnokii, we don't need to fill them all with formal program 2013-10-26 18:46:10 no; though useful to announce meetings so that new people could join if needed 2013-10-26 18:46:30 yes, we should encourage people to register them 2013-10-26 18:46:32 can I say something to meetings 2013-10-26 18:46:42 sure 2013-10-26 18:47:31 well I dont like the idea to give for it an extra room, thats behind closed doors then, ther will be space in the recreatinal area, for building a round and meet, thats more open 2013-10-26 18:48:53 how big is the recreational area? what kind of table/chair layout does it have? 2013-10-26 18:49:27 well, at least darktable thought about having its first developers meeting on lgm. this would require a blackboard, chairs, table, power for laptops, ... 2013-10-26 18:49:30 I agree with preferring open spaces where groups can congregate for meeting over separate rooms 2013-10-26 18:49:37 i doubt that would work in a cafeteria 2013-10-26 18:49:40 jonnor: its a normal lecture room where I take the chairs and tables to build whats needed 2013-10-26 18:49:43 gnokii fine with me if you can get enough concentration. I think point of LGM is to meet so either through invitation, announce or visual presence a meeting can be open. 2013-10-26 18:50:31 I loved the attic in Brussels 2013-10-26 18:51:47 should we request that projects request/register meetings at same time as talks? 2013-10-26 18:52:14 let's ask for it; of course there will be adhoc add ons 2013-10-26 18:52:24 could also have a free-form section for what they wish to have 2013-10-26 18:52:47 F_S: add ons on the ground on the university can become a problem 2013-10-26 18:53:59 how so? 2013-10-26 18:54:03 gnokii: i mean adhoc meetings 2013-10-26 18:54:42 thats during 2-5th ok, but not on 1st or 6th I mean, it looks if we want that I have to organize something 2013-10-26 18:54:51 ah ok 2013-10-26 18:55:13 we can talk about that later 2013-10-26 18:55:20 ok 2013-10-26 18:55:55 to be clear, we will allow/enocurage/require workshops to be registered like with presentations, right ? 2013-10-26 18:56:05 yes jonnor 2013-10-26 18:56:24 ok 2013-10-26 18:57:06 and lightning talks? i did not like the 5 min slots in madrid 2013-10-26 18:57:09 will we also have smaller slots than 20 mins for pres? 10? 5? 2013-10-26 18:57:12 but 10 mins is ok 2013-10-26 18:57:34 anything in particular you did not like about the 5 min ones? 2013-10-26 18:57:57 did we have them all in one section? I don't recall 2013-10-26 18:58:04 to much stress for people to stay on time 2013-10-26 18:58:07 we had blocks 2013-10-26 18:58:26 yes, it requires a lot from the presenters 2013-10-26 18:58:38 and moderators ;-) 2013-10-26 18:58:42 yes :) 2013-10-26 18:58:49 F_S: i will handle the timer again for you ^^ 2013-10-26 18:58:55 haha 2013-10-26 19:00:02 so. allow 10 min talks, but not 5 min ones? 2013-10-26 19:00:06 yes 2013-10-26 19:01:08 We keep some free space for unplanned slots? 2013-10-26 19:01:23 ie lightning talks, 10 mins? 2013-10-26 19:01:45 I like that. Can require people to register in the morning, or the day before 2013-10-26 19:01:51 ok good 2013-10-26 19:02:13 especially good if we actually get the planned program ready earlier than usual 2013-10-26 19:02:21 yes! 2013-10-26 19:03:01 things also come up as result of meeting, whic is good. best to have these slots on day three 2013-10-26 19:03:28 yes 2013-10-26 19:03:32 I like "call for action" style presentations 2013-10-26 19:03:40 Moving on, what do people think of pippins idea? 2013-10-26 19:04:29 which one? 2013-10-26 19:04:35 marking presentations with techiness, artsiness and futureness 2013-10-26 19:05:03 its in http://lgm2014.titanpad.com/1 just before "Call for LGM 2014" 2013-10-26 19:05:05 I am ok with that might help not only for users 2013-10-26 19:05:28 i think it is asking for trouble but could be interesting :-D 2013-10-26 19:05:44 F_S, what kind of trouble do you expect? 2013-10-26 19:06:02 strength of lgm is the MIX of artsiness and techiness 2013-10-26 19:06:18 which are not always easy, useful to separate out 2013-10-26 19:06:25 so that people can avoid everything which doesn't fit into their interest space? 2013-10-26 19:06:29 the proposed categories are orthogonal, separate dimensions 2013-10-26 19:06:38 not "either" or 2013-10-26 19:06:53 i think we should assume lgmers are interested in the mix 2013-10-26 19:07:20 but on which ends of the spectrum? 2013-10-26 19:07:54 F_S: yes but the mix got lost a little bit 2013-10-26 19:08:04 I like it mostly from one perspective; it encourages those presenting to think about who their audience is 2013-10-26 19:08:32 ok lets try it 2013-10-26 19:08:33 which, in my opinion, is one of the critical things in giving a good presentation 2013-10-26 19:08:39 but we need to rethink wording 2013-10-26 19:09:30 and i like inclusion of past/present vs future a lot! 2013-10-26 19:10:20 agreed 2013-10-26 19:11:13 * F_S takes "we need to rethink wording" should be "would like to rethink wording" 2013-10-26 19:11:19 ngh 2013-10-26 19:11:22 if i may bring up a request: on other conferences i loved that every speaker handed in the slides/additional material so it could be put online on the conference website, either before the talk or directly after it was given. i know that gnokii asked for the slides last year to print a book, but even if that didn't work an official request/requirement to provide them, probably in advance, would be awesome 2013-10-26 19:11:41 * F_S "we need to rethink wording" should be "I would like to rethink wording" 2013-10-26 19:12:15 I didnt ask for the slides, I asked for two pages content 2013-10-26 19:12:31 or that 2013-10-26 19:12:34 slides are asked for every year 2013-10-26 19:12:40 are they ever provided? 2013-10-26 19:12:43 but never ahead of time? 2013-10-26 19:12:46 i never saw them online 2013-10-26 19:13:04 yes but it was always optional 2013-10-26 19:13:24 some conferences require slides to be provided 1-2 weeks ahead of time 2013-10-26 19:13:29 i can just talk about my experiences with CCC (as a visitor, not a speaker) and they are doing a great job with the website and supplied informations 2013-10-26 19:13:44 I suspect some in our community would grumble about that though... 2013-10-26 19:13:49 * pippin returns to read backlog - mid-range hotel had wifi but no internet 2013-10-26 19:13:50 jonnor: yes but not give them u will not be kicked out of program 2013-10-26 19:13:51 i knwo that they are way bigger, but still 2013-10-26 19:14:30 also, we would need some more work on website / publishing - it is basically ale on his own now 2013-10-26 19:14:33 gnokii, fair enough 2013-10-26 19:15:03 or switch to openconf or so ... sigh ... 2013-10-26 19:15:23 switching wont solve the resource problem will it? 2013-10-26 19:15:58 no certainly not this year 2013-10-26 19:16:52 but yes, web resources. Call for help on mailing list? 2013-10-26 19:17:00 yes think good idea 2013-10-26 19:17:10 houz: the only people that seemed to suffer from short slots; were academic with built in 45min clocks / academics that stole from each others time 2013-10-26 19:17:41 just need to avoid those who want to rewrite everything, and those who just want to be part and not really do anything... 2013-10-26 19:18:00 jonnor: yes, absolutely 2013-10-26 19:18:21 pippin: because there were hardly any technical talks this year 2013-10-26 19:18:41 * pippin likes the talks where the slide-deck is not useful at all more than the ones were the presenter reads the slide-deck 2013-10-26 19:18:53 more demos!, and less death by power point 2013-10-26 19:18:58 ++ 2013-10-26 19:19:12 perhaps "powerpointiness" should be a dimension :p 2013-10-26 19:19:27 slidewariness? 2013-10-26 19:19:43 nice jonnor 2013-10-26 19:20:22 ok, so what can we do else to get more tech talks proposed if that is what lgm needs? 2013-10-26 19:20:58 I don't think we need more tech talks in general 2013-10-26 19:21:02 they need to support some goal 2013-10-26 19:21:19 F_S: the point of those dimensions were not to separate topics; but to represent the continuum 2013-10-26 19:21:48 F_S: and to give us an ability to ensure the mix is more technical; even if it means more technical bits in the artistic presentations as well 2013-10-26 19:21:49 tech talks to promote best practices -> good 2013-10-26 19:22:12 or to educate / disseminate skills/knowledge -> good 2013-10-26 19:22:19 F_S: I imagine a legend similar to how the dimensions of taste are rated on a bottle of wine; no absolutes 2013-10-26 19:22:57 I don't see the goals of tech talks which are just "internals of Foo" 2013-10-26 19:22:58 to be possible to visualize in comprehensible ways with color/patterns/shapes; it shouldn't be more than 3 dimensions though 2013-10-26 19:23:31 a good presentation is like a good wine indeed :) 2013-10-26 19:23:33 jonnor: no one wants that. but i want to learn something when being around so many great coders. 2013-10-26 19:24:21 houz, yes. Great coders often teach/show great things just as a side-effect of talking 2013-10-26 19:24:29 I did a deep-tech talk for artists at latinoware recently, from high-school arithemtic to 3d engine in 20minutes with live-coding :) 2013-10-26 19:24:38 without it neccesarily being a goal of theirs 2013-10-26 19:24:39 http://pippin.gimp.org/heightmap.html <- polished version of result 2013-10-26 19:25:03 pippin: so we know what u will present in Leipzig 2013-10-26 19:25:15 something else :p 2013-10-26 19:25:22 :] 2013-10-26 19:25:26 pippin: you showed them the stuff, but you didn't teach them. no one can take home anything from something like that. while you talk they think "yes, i understodd it", but the next day it's all gone 2013-10-26 19:25:29 perhaps I should present kernagic 2013-10-26 19:25:49 btw, my bus with internet reaches its destination in 13 minutes 2013-10-26 19:25:51 houz: http://pippin.gimp.org/pixland/0.html <- keep pressing F3 and poking the code in the examples gradually building it up 2013-10-26 19:26:22 I'd like to at least know when the next meeting will be, also when we plan to have call for papers out 2013-10-26 19:26:42 houz: the take-away is that there is no real magic; just shared and created cultural conventions/abstractions in code. point of the talks is to pique the curiosity of artists to make them coders; and coders to make them more artistic :d 2013-10-26 19:26:45 houz: teaching is better in workshops, right? 2013-10-26 19:26:53 F_S: + 2013-10-26 19:26:57 jonnor: good 2013-10-26 19:27:43 can we commit to call for presentations (workshops/BoFs) end of November? 2013-10-26 19:27:44 just a reminder: at madrid there were no tech proposals filtered out 2013-10-26 19:28:04 meaning there were little people interested apparently in presenting tech subjects 2013-10-26 19:28:14 jonnor: yes, at the latest 2013-10-26 19:28:16 I would like a focus on the hybridization of design/development 2013-10-26 19:28:26 pippin: yeah 2013-10-26 19:28:37 teaching is good whatever the format is. for example when showing "best practices to code XYZ" it's nice to have someone explain it, a workshop doesn't make sense. but it's also nice to have slides in the end to read the details again. because as i said, you can hardly remember the details the next day 2013-10-26 19:28:50 and will get back to your sliders pippin :-) 2013-10-26 19:28:57 later 2013-10-26 19:29:20 jonnor can you propose next meeting? 2013-10-26 19:29:34 well we should move forward to another point, discussion brings nothing right now 2013-10-26 19:30:03 F_S: probably because most devs think of lgm as a artists/social meeting and not as something where technical people go. i am talking to other developers every year and i can hardly convince anyone to go to lgm 2013-10-26 19:31:03 houz, F_S: this attitude has increased in later years; but we should be able to direct the pendulum where we want it with the call for papers... 2013-10-26 19:31:27 s/papers/content/ 2013-10-26 19:31:43 F_S, what about Tuesday 5th November? 2013-10-26 19:31:47 pippin: I fear just with call it not becomes better 2013-10-26 19:31:48 18.00 CEST 2013-10-26 19:31:49 so pippin will do some suggestions for the call / work on a proposal? 2013-10-26 19:31:51 * houz crosses all his fingers and toes 2013-10-26 19:31:56 no, CET now I guess 2013-10-26 19:32:23 at least DE will switch to CET this night 2013-10-26 19:32:39 ok might appear later but will catch up 2013-10-26 19:32:52 F_S, can be 19.00 for me 2013-10-26 19:33:04 better 2013-10-26 19:33:40 anyone opposed to next meet at Tuesday 5th November 19.00 CET ? 2013-10-26 19:33:55 th 5th isnt next tuesday 2013-10-26 19:34:01 no? 2013-10-26 19:34:10 its tuesday in 2 weeks 2013-10-26 19:34:15 yes 2013-10-26 19:34:22 it is my birthdqy ;-) 2013-10-26 19:34:31 29th is the next one 2013-10-26 19:34:44 all I know about my location then, is that I will still be _somewhere_ in south america :d 2013-10-26 19:35:03 F_S, naaw. 2013-10-26 19:35:16 I just thought that <7 days from now would be too short 2013-10-26 19:35:24 yes think so too 2013-10-26 19:35:25 F_S: will you bake a cake for the meeting then? 2013-10-26 19:35:36 virtual cake! 2013-10-26 19:35:39 oh thought you would bake for me 2013-10-26 19:35:45 with virtual calories. perfect 2013-10-26 19:35:56 "virtually no calories" 2013-10-26 19:36:00 :D 2013-10-26 19:36:09 I lose internet in 80 seconds 2013-10-26 19:36:12 * houz doesn't know how to bake a birthday cake 2013-10-26 19:36:14 "tastes like butter" 2013-10-26 19:36:27 jonnor any time to work on call before 5th? 2013-10-26 19:36:28 * pippin notes that the specification of the time for the meeting in CET was off by 1h 2013-10-26 19:36:43 :) 2013-10-26 19:36:43 F_S, yes, can work on it next weekend I think 2013-10-26 19:37:02 gotta ruun 2013-10-26 19:37:05 bye 2013-10-26 19:37:05 ok great. needs input from pippin too 2013-10-26 19:37:07 http://www.timeanddate.com/ <- has a useful tool to make timezone independent url's for specifying times 2013-10-26 19:37:10 bye jonnor thx 2013-10-26 19:37:16 cyah 2013-10-26 19:38:50 pippin i proposed 19 CET, jonnor asked for 18 and we changed but forgot to add CET to last mail. hence confusion 2013-10-26 19:39:32 CET is not the summer time in europe... 2013-10-26 19:39:44 you meant 1900 CET 2013-10-26 19:39:57 use UTC+? UTC-? or plain UTC 2013-10-26 19:40:05 +1 2013-10-26 19:40:07 2000 Z time 2013-10-26 19:40:53 pff ok you propose next meeting after 5th :-) 2013-10-26 19:41:01 failing to use UTC,. use "brussels time", then the burden of figuring out what is meant is left to the attendee ;) 2013-10-26 19:41:24 http://lgm2014.titanpad.com/1 notes are complete? 2013-10-26 19:41:28 :) 2013-10-26 19:42:12 * jonnor (~jon@46.66.40.33.tmi.telenormobil.no) hat die Verbindung getrennt (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 2013-10-26 19:43:40 so when is it now? 2013-10-26 19:43:50 you tell me :-) 2013-10-26 19:44:38 29th or 5th? 2013-10-26 19:44:58 5th 2013-10-26 19:45:31 ok 2013-10-26 19:45:34 Tuesday 5th November 19.00 CET 2013-10-26 19:45:38 with cake 2013-10-26 19:45:39 ;-) 2013-10-26 19:45:46 yes, candles too 2013-10-26 19:46:30 so http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=lgm+content+2014+%232&iso=20131026T19&p1=48&ah=1&am=30 ? 2013-10-26 19:46:41 exactly 2013-10-26 19:46:52 candles have to much calories 2013-10-26 19:46:59 burn them! 2013-10-26 19:47:23 :D 2013-10-26 19:48:30 * pippin should explore the city he arrived in this morning, 'City of Eternal Spring' at a convenient elevation of 2558m in the Andes :D 2013-10-26 19:48:51 how is the air? thin? 2013-10-26 19:49:22 not noticing any problem, next big stop before machu picchu, la paz is much higher - maybe I notice it there 2013-10-26 19:56:39 ok, am off - sent a notification to lgm-list and see you all nov 5 2013-10-26 19:57:07 gnokii: if you have contact for bookdesign school, it would be useful to have before nov 2 2013-10-26 19:57:28 mom, have to look in my notices 2013-10-26 19:58:38 ok might ping you for it later next week 2013-10-26 19:58:52 ooh u want to have a notice from them, can be hard 2013-10-26 19:59:49 eh? would like to see if i can organise somethin dutch, spanish, belgium design schools with them 2013-10-26 20:00:03 oops 2013-10-26 20:00:17 eh? would like to see if i can organise something with dutch, spanish, belgium design schools and them 2013-10-26 20:00:41 thats a thing you can talk with Professor Dimke later one 2013-10-26 20:00:51 on I meant 2013-10-26 20:01:04 ok 2013-10-26 20:01:35 http://www.hgb-leipzig.de/index.php?a=person&b=mitarb&id=245&js=2& = rektor 2013-10-26 20:01:37 ? 2013-10-26 20:02:12 yes thats the boss 2013-10-26 20:03:06 ok if you say "later" you think still this year? 2013-10-26 20:03:28 * pippin wonders if he could convince part of the old-school live-coding crew to turn up in leipzig *adding another irc-netowrk to irssi* 2013-10-26 20:03:53 no later meant such things I do mostly in a personal conversation 2013-10-26 20:04:47 of course. i'd like to make a proposal for two activities with them but we need to get organised soon, so i'd like to start a conversation 2013-10-26 20:05:58 so write her, I have the mail on the agenda for monday as I have to finish some release work first 2013-10-26 20:06:28 ok perfect. i keep you in cc - and will be after monday 2013-10-26 20:06:37 * F_S (~fs@cable-85.28.70.48.coditel.net) hat #LGM2014 verlassen **** BEENDE LOGBUCH UM Sun Oct 27 00:42:47 2013